>This is, I think, the mother of all false equivalencies.
I kind of set you up for this one.
> don’t think it’s right or proper to equate discussions in a diversity channel with the monstrously hateful discourse that often occurs on nastier subreddits or 4chan and the like.
The point I was trying to make is, one person's "hateful discourse" is another person's relatively benign politics. When "hatespeech" is anything right of Trotsky, math[1], acronyms[2], getting to work on time[3], objectiveness[3], etc., it's no longer just the nasty stuff that every agrees is disgusting and has no place at work. Now "hatespeech" and "white supremacy" can be practically anything.
>For a very stretched definition of “marginalized,” perhaps.
It's not a "stretched definition", it's literally the definition [4].
>Shopify is a Canadian company based (I believe) in Ottawa, so I don’t think this is really a useful thing to discuss. Shutting down these conversations is happening far outside the place where you allege conservatives to be marginalized.
I was under the assumption that the majority of the developers and such are out of the Bay Area, even though it's HQ is elsewhere. If most of the workers are in left-wing areas, then this holds.
>I think it’s dystopian to simply accept mistreatment.
Depends on if you believe it's mistreatment or not. If I view it as consensual and positive, who are you to say otherwise?
>You deserve better; what incentive do you really have to settle? Unless you’re a CEO shitposting under a throwaway … you aren’t going to get what they have. Like you admit, they don’t care. Why roll over and accept a raw deal?
I'm fine with not making as much as a founder, CEO, etc., I'm not a jealous classist. I live a life that 99.999% of humanity could only dream of living, make a solid income, great benefits, etc. I don't view it as a "raw deal".
>The company is nothing without your labor.
Your labor is nothing without the company. Again, we agreed to work where we work.
>No employer would ever agree to that in a contract. In fact, most employers would never let you put anything in a contract, actually. That’s risky from their view. So this whole line of thinking is self-defeating: you and I both know it’s not a viable option. Why bother debating it? I mean, hell, Coinbase just said they won’t even negotiate salary anymore, the one thing you could actually negotiate for. It’s not an option, practically speaking; it’s just a way to shut down discussion.
Then don't apply to that company, find another company that is more inline with your ideals/morals, or contract, or start your own company. Also, vote so that you get the benefits that you think you deserve by law. Just don't complain the way you have when not everyone sees eye-to-eye with you.
I kind of set you up for this one.
> don’t think it’s right or proper to equate discussions in a diversity channel with the monstrously hateful discourse that often occurs on nastier subreddits or 4chan and the like.
The point I was trying to make is, one person's "hateful discourse" is another person's relatively benign politics. When "hatespeech" is anything right of Trotsky, math[1], acronyms[2], getting to work on time[3], objectiveness[3], etc., it's no longer just the nasty stuff that every agrees is disgusting and has no place at work. Now "hatespeech" and "white supremacy" can be practically anything.
>For a very stretched definition of “marginalized,” perhaps.
It's not a "stretched definition", it's literally the definition [4].
>Shopify is a Canadian company based (I believe) in Ottawa, so I don’t think this is really a useful thing to discuss. Shutting down these conversations is happening far outside the place where you allege conservatives to be marginalized.
I was under the assumption that the majority of the developers and such are out of the Bay Area, even though it's HQ is elsewhere. If most of the workers are in left-wing areas, then this holds.
>I think it’s dystopian to simply accept mistreatment.
Depends on if you believe it's mistreatment or not. If I view it as consensual and positive, who are you to say otherwise?
>You deserve better; what incentive do you really have to settle? Unless you’re a CEO shitposting under a throwaway … you aren’t going to get what they have. Like you admit, they don’t care. Why roll over and accept a raw deal?
I'm fine with not making as much as a founder, CEO, etc., I'm not a jealous classist. I live a life that 99.999% of humanity could only dream of living, make a solid income, great benefits, etc. I don't view it as a "raw deal".
>The company is nothing without your labor.
Your labor is nothing without the company. Again, we agreed to work where we work.
>No employer would ever agree to that in a contract. In fact, most employers would never let you put anything in a contract, actually. That’s risky from their view. So this whole line of thinking is self-defeating: you and I both know it’s not a viable option. Why bother debating it? I mean, hell, Coinbase just said they won’t even negotiate salary anymore, the one thing you could actually negotiate for. It’s not an option, practically speaking; it’s just a way to shut down discussion.
Then don't apply to that company, find another company that is more inline with your ideals/morals, or contract, or start your own company. Also, vote so that you get the benefits that you think you deserve by law. Just don't complain the way you have when not everyone sees eye-to-eye with you.
[1] https://www.newsweek.com/math-suffers-white-supremacy-accord... [2] https://www.sfgate.com/local/article/school-renaming-SFUSD-a... [3] https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/jul/17/smithsonian-a... [4] https://www.thefreedictionary.com/marginalize