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In the Trudeau case the comparison is at least not 100% wrong, as is usually the case when the N-word crops up. Hitler famously engaged in forced medical experiments on people who were deemed disposable classes of society, and he brooked no dissent or resistance. Regardless of how you personally feel about the COVID vaccines they were and are based on experimental new medical technology, which was then forced on people against their will including on people who thought it might harm them. And as we saw, the protestors were then destroyed by a leader who gave so few shits that he didn't even bother to turn up and talk to them, and who then engaged in vengeful financial attacks on family members or anyone who tried to support the protestors.

Obviously that doesn't make Trudeau literally Hitler, but the point of talking about WW2 is to try and learn lessons so it never repeats. If you're only allowed to notice similarities by the time there are no differences left at all, it's already far too late. That's why the comparisons are always so tricky and fraught with controversy. On one hand, comparing everything to the Nazis is a tired rhetorical trick designed to shut down thought. On the other hand, to ensure something like that never happens again, people have to be willing to say -wait. That looks bad. That looks like something the Nazis did. That shouldn't be happening and maybe the people who are making it happen are bad people, they should be stopped. But the bar for it has to be high.



> Regardless of how you personally feel about the COVID vaccines they were and are based on experimental new medical technology

This is not technically true. They were based on research from 1984, which started development in 2005 and was more or less ready and waiting for an application by 2010. They were much less experimental than the Polio or Smallpox vaccines were when they were introduced.


It is very obviously true. Reductio ad-absurdum arguments like that could be applied to argue no technology is ever experimental.

COVID vaccines are the first mRNA based vaccines ever produced, they were produced in absolutely record-breaking time and rushed through trials under emergency authorization. That's pretty much the definition of experimental technology.


The COVID vaccines are not the first mRNA vaccines. I'm not sure where you are getting your information. There are mRNA Ebola vaccines in use in Africa.

https://publichealth.jhu.edu/2021/the-long-history-of-mrna-v...


By "in use" you mean never progressed beyond the trial stage? Your article literally says in the opening paragraph, "why did it take until the global COVID-19 pandemic of 2020 for the first mRNA vaccine to be brought to market?"

The COVID vaccines are so poorly understood that the manufacturers claimed 95% efficacy against infection, a claim which evaporated within months as that number dropped through the floor. They have never even tried to explain why their trial results were so badly wrong, meaning they don't understand their own products. A product so new even its own makers can't explain its behavior is at best experimental, and that's being generous in the extreme. A more accurate assessment would be that COVID vaccination was a mandatory medical experiment forced on vast sections of humanity often against people's will, in which the people doing the forcing then turned a blind eye to any negative effects.


Even the WEF denounced Trudeau for totalitarian antidemocratic behaviors.

This is the past though. We must work together in the present and get back together as team Canada. The liberals had many greats like Chretien despite his handshakes... lol. There was other good leaders even during the ottawa protest like joel lightbound who is a quebec liberal mp. He said exactly what was needed. He said we just needed a date for when these human rights are returned. A roadmap to normal.

We still don't have this. Practically the whole world has opened up and given this responsibility to the individual where it belongs. We are the only country that disallows their citizens to leave. Worse yet those Canadians are mocked and told to leave.

It feels to me trudeau's quebec sovereignty has taken to a new tactic. Become hostile to your fellow Canadians and make us hate quebec and want you out of Canada. Trudeau doesn't understand economics. He doesn't know that if Quebec became their own country they would have such a huge deficit they would not be able to afford an education or healthcare system. Bombardier and SNCLavalin basically own the country and you're fighting to keep them in Quebec. Terrible. You would have immediate revolution to return to Canada.

https://angusreid.org/new-west-fractured-federation/

This is such a bad thing. We need to unite again. We are obviously stronger together. No matter the past, you can't change the past, we need to get working and talking together again.


If we look back on US public health policy it wasn't really a liberal democracy until maybe about 1970 given such strong government institutions that shut down dissent. It turns out that the US back to the polio vaccine forcibly vaccinated many, many populations. The demographic differences in the groups affected were interesting - the primary resistance came from the black community that distrusted the government. We can go back to the Spanish Flu period and it turns out that we had the same exact problems of 2020 in terms of popular public health policy debate as well with anti-maskers and pro-maskers.

The problems I see is that public discourse has become the same thing as the old Internet in all the bad ways from decades past with almost none of the good parts. Bad faith arguments, Godwin's Law everywhere, slippery slope fallacies everywhere, etc. are now _standard_ and expected making all but the simplest discussions impossible.




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