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I was wondering recently about where the original sin of “light mode” came from. Guess it was him!

> The Apple II displayed white text on a black background. I argued that to do graphics properly we had to switch to a white background like paper. It works fine to invert text when printing, but it would not work for a photo to be printed in negative. The Lisa hardware team complained the screen would flicker too much, and they would need faster refresh with more expensive RAM to prevent smearing when scrolling. Steve listened to all the pros and cons then sided with a white background for the sake of graphics.




“Sin” of being readable


The real sin is having both.


I don't get it. I grew up with green and amber CRTs and I don't miss those days at all. What makes it mean so much, to you kids who never knew those days to miss?


Looks cooler, and you tell yourself that you're saving your eyes as you sit in your blackout-curtained hacker den... but the pitch black hacker den is also part of the desired aesthetic.

Real Hackers didn't use rgb dweeb keyboards though


Oh, I see. In my day we smoked cigarettes, compared with which RGB keyboards seem like a pretty clean win. Literally a clean win; the main reason for keeping the lights off and the windows covered, as I recall it, was to hide all the filth that constantly accumulates in such an environment. Not to say I don't look back on it fondly, but when I actually look back on the photos I still have of how I lived then, it sort of makes my teeth itch, if you know what I mean.


Can't tell you about the kids, but I started out with an amber monochrome CRT, and I used plenty of Apple II and MS-DOS text mode over the years, so it's not a lately adopted affectation. :) But I'm being around 75% facetious about calling it "original sin" -- I think Atkinson is right that "light mode" is better for graphics work, and his push for it on the Lisa and Mac was probably the right move.

But yes, I also think of "light mode" as "starting into a light bulb all day" and when possible prefer light text on a dark background. How much of that is real and how much is just part of the same nostalgic impulse that leads me to install PxPlusVGA9 [0]...

[0] https://int10h.org/oldschool-pc-fonts/fontlist/font?ibm_vga_...


It might simply be because you've never put concern toward basic lighting theory. Within a basically moderate range of illumination, you get eyestrain not from bright or dark but from repeatedly forcing your eyes to reaccommodate between the two. Adjust your room lighting such that whatever sits behind your displays is about as bright as they are, and dark mode becomes the accommodation problem, while dark on light is as comfortable as reading. Too, in this configuration you can also see things that don't emit light...




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