> fuck scummy porn

It usually does involve fucking, yes.

"Rid of both"? This is against all kinds of porn, sexy stuff, erotica, and also unsexy things considered not suitable for teens. It has nothing to do with "scummy", even honest to goodness porn is affected.

And I'm sure you can see grownups don't necessarily want to be tied to specific porn watching habits (multiple scenarios for why this is, but all can be chalked up to "human nature").

I'm not troubled by porn or my kids seeing it. If anything, I advocate healthy sex lives for my kids once they are of age because there is some kind of massive Puritanism push going on that looks to be the end of the human race--look how they are destroying the common bonds of love and intimacy using technology to demolish our ability to relate to one another. Don't think it's happening? Look around you--people are more and more isolated and miserable and fearful of making contact, especially intimate contact, for fear of accusations of r-a-p-e or assault or whatever. Of course I don't want predators finding my kids online and using the Internet to get to them, but that's where actual parenting comes in--teaching kids what to watch out for and to make smart choices. It's just that I don't believe we can bubble wrap everything and still have a functioning civilization on the other end. It will fail and fall down, all due to good intentions.

We are in agreement.

I'm arguing this isn't about "scummy porn". It's about censorship in general, but when it's about porn it's about all sorts of porn or sexy/naughty content. And it's wrong to want to restrict access to that.

What's wrong with sexy? Everyone seems afraid to even talk about it. It's safer to talk about other things like free speech.

But it's ok to watch porn made legally between consenting adults. And as for teens watching it, most of us old enough had access to naughty magazines back then, and it didn't mess us up.

The moral panic is unwarranted is my point.

Why? What's the difference?

I mean, there was plenty of explicit sex in those magazines.

Regardless of your opinion of porn qua porn, surely you can admit there is something scummy about algorithmic, ad filled porn platforms, and parasocial porn influencer platforms? HN regularly and rightly dumps on these elements on the context of Facebook, IG, etc. Does porn get a pass just because porn in some incarnations is avante garde?

Wait, I'm not taking about "avant garde porn". I'm not being snobbish about this.

I mean two (or more) people of your preference fucking. Nothing avant garde about it, just the good ol' thing goes inside another thing, or rubbing things together.

I don't know what "algorithmic ad filled parasocial platforms" you mean, but when you're ready to discuss banning Facebook, Twitter, and almost every platform we can resume this chat.

Let's be honest about the other stuff: there's nothing wrong about watching porn. Maybe if this impedes you forming real world relationships, but heh... everything in excess is bad for you.

I know this is an uncomfortable topic to discuss openly in some cultures. The USA or the UK, for example. They like their porn habits private and not talked about... which is why banning VPNs is bad!

Dude I don't know what mental foe you are arguing against here. I am not saying porn is evil or whatever you think.

I _am_ ready to discuss banning Facebook and Twitter and TikTok. I just extend that to Pornhub and OnlyFans too. Not saying you shouldn't be able to buy videos of whatever your heart desires. Just the free ad driven platforms and the parasocial OF type platforms.

> Not saying you shouldn't be able to buy videos of whatever your heart desires.

You can pay for PornHub, you know.

You did mention "avant garde porn", which is an extremely weird turn of phrase. As if I was talking about some sort of high art or whatever. No, I'm talking about nudes and people fucking. Is that weird to you? It's just... "performance sex" for which you pay, like you would pay to watch Tom Cruise in "Mission Impossible 4000: Too Old For This Shit". Are you also for banning "Mission Impossible"? Maybe I can get behind that!

> I _am_ ready to discuss banning Facebook and Twitter and TikTok.

You won't find much traction for that position here, I'm afraid. In general I'm against banning stuff just because I don't like it; I can see why you'd support this VPN initiative if that's your standpoint.

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> and the parasocial OF type platforms.

There are lots of parasocial things in the modern world, are you also for banning them? Like, do you know the kind of relationship some fans feel they have with Taylor Swift, or what about K-Pop fans? Do you think that should be restricted/banned too?

I'm trying to isolate if your hangup is specifically about sex, or whether there's a whole range of stuff you'd also ban/regulate/restrict.

It seems like you were just triggered by my initial phrase "scummy porn and social media platforms." That means porn platforms and social media platforms. Platform is the noun. Social media and porn are adjectives.

It seems like you are trying to put some kind of puritanical words in my mouth such that I think all porn should be illegal or something even though I have explicitly indicated otherwise in several comments. It does not seem like you are having a good faith discussion here, so I am going to let it go at this point.