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How many competent programmers (including being reasonable to work with) do you know who would willingly work for their campaign?


You honestly think there are no trump supporters among very competent programmers? I personally know at least 3.


Of course there are. But it's not just about there being competent programmers "willing" to do this work.

You need:

* A competently run business

* Competent funding

* Competent recruiting

* Competent management

Programmers will generally want to be paid. They'll need a well-run organization, and before you can even hire and pay them, you have to find and recruit them. Not just someone interested and willing to do the work, but interested and willing to forego their existing role, and to forego their existing role for one that is, frankly, not likely to be around in another 6 months, given the track record of these kinds of organizations.


Yep very valid points


Programmers are some of the most contrarian people out there, after all.


No they're not!


I disagree


You are incorrect


Would the Trump-supporting programmers you know be fine having "Trump Social Media Platform" as the latest job on their resume?

I'd guess fear of ostracism in mainstream tech would filter out more people than actual politics.


Regardless of your politics, you should never avoid doing something you believe in just because someone might dislike you for it.


My health insurance is tied to my employer. I have more to risk than being disliked by building the next e-commerce platform fo r Trump Steaks.


If the dislike translates into being jobless, you bet I would be keeping my trap shut.


They are pretty public about their position but they are in HFT


I'm not sure they'd want to _work at his company_ though. Imagine what a shitshow the management will be.


It seems inconsistent to believe this _and_ still want him to run the country.


They're just fine with all the incompetence and racism because they think he'll punish the people they don't like, but then they're disappointed and surprised when it backfires on them.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/1/8/18173678/tr...

>“He’s not hurting the people he needs to be”: a Trump voter says the quiet part out loud

>A Trump voter hurt by the shutdown reveals the real reason the president attracts hardcore supporters.

>[...] “I voted for him, and he’s the one who’s doing this,” Minton told Mazzei. “I thought he was going to do good things. He’s not hurting the people he needs to be hurting.”

>He’s not hurting the people he needs to be hurting.

>Think about that line for a second. Roll it over in your head. In essence, Minton is declaring that one aim of the Trump administration is to hurt people — the right people. Making America great again, in her mind, involves inflicting pain.

>This is not an accident. Trump’s political victory and continuing appeal depend on a brand of politics that marginalizes and targets groups disliked by his supporters. Trump supporters don’t so much love the Republican party as they hate Democrats, a phenomenon political scientists call “negative partisanship.” They like Trump not because he sells them on the GOP, but because they believe he’ll stick it to the Democrats harder than anyone else.


I would do it just to stick it to Big Tech and their censorship.

Still, as a rule I don't work for governments and politicians because they are perpetrators of violence and they're mostly unpunished by society.


A lot of programmers work for FB also despite everything. Also, many work for other ethically questionable companies.

So, for the right price, I’m sure a lot.

However, given what has been reported about wage theft and lawsuits, whether they will pay is a whole different question.


Beyond their shameful business operations they bring deep engineering expertise, practices and processes and a founder who understands code and running a massive scaled technology firm.

That is not the case here.


Contractors from a country that does not give a fig about American politics? So plenty of options are on the table.


But... But... That would go against what their platform says!


/s, I know, but: A platform is a mechanism to obtain power, not a prescription for how power is practiced.


I dunno most contractors like to get paid. I’m not sure but the Trump company does sort of have a history of not paying workers. I’m not arguing whether or not they should’ve. But it is kind of a _thing_


But those would then be immigrants, right? And likely will need to come in under H1B or something. How will owners of that platform react to hiring to immigrants?


> But those would then be immigrants, right?

No?! Why on earth would that be the logical conclusion? This is almost funny in how Americentric these threads become. You can outsource your project elsewhere. It's very common. America isn't the only country in the world that has software engineers who are competent.


MAGA hats were pretty famously made in China. That doesn't mean they were made by immigrants (though, I don't know anything about immigration in China)


Source on this? I thought they were American made but the manufacturer feared for their life so they never publicly said who made them


Ah, my mistake. The story doesn't appear to be entirely clear-cut, but the hats labeled 'made in china' are apparently knock-offs.

https://apnews.com/article/archive-fact-checking-6391630154


I'm sure prominent Trump supporter Peter Theil can find a few.


Depends on the rationale. I hope they'd block people who are violating free software licenses


At their market cap it would take in excess of 10 years to zero out. 170,000, if that's the actual number, is absolutely nothing to them


Their market cap doesn't have anything to do with how much cash they have.


The 170,000 doesn't have a precise unit, it could be losses in market cap, cash reserves, advertiser revenue, operating costs, literally anything.

I'm merely putting the number in perspective. 6 digits isn't really something that's particularly concerning on any Facebook spreadsheet.


I'm not sure what you mean by that. The 170,000 does have a precise unit - it's dollars lost in cash, as stated in the comment you were replying to.

The amount of time taken for Facebook to fold in minutes is represented by $TOTAL_CASH ÷ $170,000. There's nothing mystical about it.

But $TOTAL_CASH is entirely different from, and unrelated to, market cap. Market cap does not come into this at all, in any way.


Not all minutes are equal, so the real number is likely well north of $200k/min. And that is a lot, even for Facebook, with a large enough number of minutes. We're at >4 hours. So they've likely lost north of $50 million in advertising revenue today.


Market cap is not even remotely the same thing as cash reserves.


That opinion is going to vary drastically from person to person.

I mostly play the same three or four games and have for about a decade. Stuff like KSP and ARMA where save state and modding are extremely important.


I'm in that age bracket, I remember the open internet. I wouldn't get super ageist about it, but I think the point still stands. Google just wants to believe the internet is for megacorps and everyone who isn't on a mega platform doesn't belong connected to it.


This is a (mostly) solved problem in linux. Your package manager has a central repo, but also can have 3rd party repos added. You'd add the matrix repo and it would automatically update it with everything else. It means everything still gets updated and verified against the keyring.


Fdroid supports 3rd party repos.


For those interested in something targeted towards more diverse systems take a look at https://cosmosrb.com/

It's a command and telemetry package for working with embedded systems, arduinos through satellites, and includes data visualization and command interfaces. It's released under AGPL by Ball Aerospace and has a following at NASA as well.

It's particularly useful for dealing with small systems where you'd usually write a python script for FTDI/serial communication. You can instead just define your commands and telemetry structs in a config file and the system makes it work.


I’ve used COSMOS with embedded systems on personal projects and it is very easy to learn and get setup. Highly recommend it to folks who are considering it.

For anyone interested in using this with Arduino, you can take a look at this blog on how to do it (not my blog): http://www.williamosman.com/2016/08/cosmos-and-arduino-20-te...


I've been working on a similar system for a few years now and hate every bit of it. We built it fast because we needed it and didn't have time to use the standard system we use in-house. I've been given very few hours to work on it outside of my regular duties so I've just had to deal with the terribleness of it. We recently got some money to update our tools and while we made something a little bit better for some tasks, the terrible foundation is still there. I'm going to look into this, it looks slick and sounds exactly like what I need. Just having the ability to dump whatever telem field I need would save me so much time compared with coding up a python script to pullout whatever from the GBs of telem we've been producing.


Wow, this blows my mind. I have been working on manufacturing test software which is essentially this.

And it is made by Ball! The company that makes the glass canning jars! Who knew they had an aerospace division...


It is the same parent company, although they sold off the home canning business in the 90s. They still make other types of consumer packaging, though.


You're both right in a way, inane comments complaining about downvotes aren't substantive, but I also see a lot of thoughtful and frankly poignant comments bite the dust because they're just slightly outside the decidedly narrow Overton window of HN discourse.

At the end of the day, on a smallish platform like this, the downvotes do also hurt. Some days it seems more users feel like downvoting everything than upvoting anything and unlike reddit, very few downvotes immediately result in censure.


And further, nobody outside of the extreme of the extremists actually wants to eliminate the potential for achieving a "wealthy" status. People will always be able to achieve high levels of success. The argument is that we need to pick a point where amassing so much wealth can start to be deemed anti social and start to taper things off there. There is basically nothing you can buy with ten or eleven digits that you can't buy with nine, except entire corporations and countries and absolutely no individual needs that power or the prospect of that power to be fulfilled in life.


This platform is far from an impartial place. People need to remember the reason this site exists...


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