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I wonder if the plan is to merge Beeper and Texts.com.

They both look verify similar in their features. Maybe texts.com for the Apple Ecosystem and Beeper for the Android one ?

After all, Beeper just released their new version of the app for Android.


Both Texts and Beeper are in active development while we work hard behind the scenes to combine the best parts of both under the Beeper brand.

So we'll only have Beeper on every platform.


Seems that way. From the announcement: "This is a big bet. Automattic is doubling down on chat after their acquisition last year of Texts.com, a messaging app with a similar mission. Our teams and products will merge, and I will take on the role leading the team as Head of Messaging. It will take a bit of time for us to integrate and combine forces under the Beeper brand. We’ve got big plans!"


They will likely dismantle Texts and focus on Beeper as it received more investment while taking the good of Texts. They will probably introduce Texts monetization model to Beeper though.

One app for Apple and another for Android kinda defeats the purpose of "all in one platform", wouldn't it?


I hope not, have you used both apps? Texts is much more stable and easy to use than Beeper in my experience.


Not my experience. I’ve tried (and am still trying) texts and not once I was able to have it just work. Constantly messages not showing up, accounts not loading, or something else missing. I’ve been submitting heaps of feedback to the Texts team.

It looks great but feels very alpha/beta to me, and I decided to not renew my subscription


I'm a pretty avid Texts user, and I both agree and don't… as much as I ~regularly run into hiccups of some kind, I feel they're pretty inevitable with this sort of thing, and the parts of Texts that _could_ be stable definitely are. The overall product feels polished and snappy IMO.


I've not had a day without issues. I don't know if this is something wrong with my account (instagram), but it's so unreliable that I can't trust that what I see in Texts is actually how the conversation looks like. Funnily enough, I ran Beeper in parallel as backup.

Weird things from a message missing in between other messages, new messages not showing up at all, messages I send not arriving, etc.

(The iOS app is on a completely different level with it not even refreshing my messages most of the time until I disable and enable certain accounts again. But it's in TestFlight so I'll treat it as a beta and not expect too much polish yet)

I've religiously submitted feedback constantly to them, together with console logs and error dumps, but now my trial expired and I just can't justify paying for it in the current state :/


ah, yeah their instagram integration is often pretty rough.


Texts.com runs locally, Beeper runs bridges.


The Beeper codebase is also in a pretty bad state.


What information is this based on?


The codebase


Didn't they just do a ground-up rewrite?


Let’s hope so


The bottom line of the post says as such (sorry if it was edited in after you posted)

"For Texts.com users... [...] Over time, we will work to integrate the teams and products. More news to come in the future!"


Yes, it mentioned Texts and Beeper teams will be merging under the Beeper brand. So essentially the end of Texts. Presumably will bring some parts of Texts app to Beeper that doesn't exist, but overall glad I abandoned Texts little while back, since while loved the idea, was very buggy with notifications delayed, or sometimes unable to send certain types of messages through certain services etc. And no pathway at the time for support on iOS. With all the EU stuff, there is a chance maybe people will be forced to open up more as would love to have a single app to manage all messaging but certainly far from hopeful that will come to be, at least without downsides.


Beeper is cross platform. They have an app for iOS and Mac.


Both of our apps are cross-platform. Both Texts and Beeper are available on Windows, Linux, and macOS. Texts for iOS is in public beta, you can join the TestFlight: https://texts.com/install/ios


OP didn't day Mac. They were presumably referring to Apple's main platform, iOS.


I replied before the OP edited the comment substantially.


Does anyone know how the texts.com iMessage integration works?

EDIT - It’s macOS only. Nothing new to see here, I’m afraid.


Came to ask the same, is that really true? They have a graphic on their homepage that certainly implies you can use it as a replacement for iMessage on iOS. I can't imagine anyone doing that if you can no longer actually reach anyone on iMessage.


> They have a graphic on their homepage that certainly implies you can use it as a replacement for iMessage on iOS.

You can. You run a "router" on your Mac, which allows iMessage interop without the protocol hacking that doomed Beeper.


Yes, from the post:

> Automattic is doubling down on chat after their acquisition last year of Texts.com, a messaging app with a similar mission. Our teams and products will merge, and I will take on the role leading the team as Head of Messaging.


Merging the 2 will be interesting since they take opposite approaches? Texts doesn't use bridges.


Not linked to your phone number. It does encrypted backup that can be synced with Google Android backup (if you want).

Support Steam authenticator (if you follow the guide how to get the key).

You can group the MFA provider in groups that make sense to you.

You're in full control and the keys never leave your device unless you want to.

You can see the keys whenever you decide.

And the list goes on. I've been using it for years and it's the best MFA app on the market.


What about installing the right php libs that are expected.

What about keeping the machine up to date to new distro release that inevitably comes with a new version of PHP that isn't compatible with the app ?

Don't get me started on setting properly php-fpm and any other reverse proxy.

All of those issue are gone with docker. You always run the right version of everything as it was intended by the developer (if they are the on that maintain the image)


Or follow the doc on running docker rootless: https://docs.docker.com/engine/security/rootless/

But in any case I think it's always better to do docker in docker for security. Also it help control what version of docker is used by the agent and it can then be a different one than the one on the host.


Sounds like outdated advice from the time before they implemented approval for running action from PR of untrusted people.

In the past, people could modify the GitHub action workflow and run crypto miners on the agents.

But since GitHub changed the default for PR where the actions aren't run anymore that killed that attack vector.


As much as I agree with the sentiment of your comment, the part "Women do yoga" is quite reductive and can easily be interpreted as "women can't be that type of person" which I disagree with.


I'm all good with supporting people of all genders to do whatever they choose, but this comment seems to be needlessly pedantic, and breaks an HN guideline:

- Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize. Assume good faith.

We don't need to be so literal and inflexible about everything. Even with modern sensibilities, we're adults here and we're all capable of reading a comment like that and understanding that the author doesn't actually mean that no or even few women can be obsessive about coffee/knives/audio systems, or that no/few men can do yoga.

(FTR I'm sure I'm not alone here in being a male who does yoga and can also be obsessive about things like audio quality.)


Hobbies are often heavily gendered.

You don't see many men doing knitting but it's also a very careful technical thing. And it's full of strong opinions just like coffee or golf or whatever.

It's just saying it out loud isn't very polite unless you're a comedian or jesting, because people will automatically read into it as a moral or intelligence judgement.

But otherwise I think it's pretty obvious men typically go very hard into their new hobbies, almost obsessively. Additionally, they often do it for short periods before finding a new one to jump into next month and then suddenly they forgot about coffee and are learning how speakers work.

Generalizations are Generalizations, that's how they work.


> Hobbies are often heavily gendered.

> But otherwise I think it's pretty obvious men typically go very hard into their new hobbies

I'm a man. The other day I wanted to see if there was a way to fix one of my daughter's Barbie dolls and ended up in a huge rabbit hole of Barbie dolls collectors, which you can peruse (at your own risk) in r/Barbie, YouTube and others. These are (mostly) grown women obsessing about their dolls collections, swapping heads and bodies, re-rooting hair, fixing damaged hair, sewing their own custom clothes, asking questions about "color charts" (to match parts from different dolls), re-painting face details from scratch and consulting authoritative databases that list every Barbie head by year and detail which bodies use it. Some tattoo their dolls. One had replicated the main characters from Cyberpunk 2077, meaning she was also a cyberpunk and videogame nerd.

There are some men there too, but I grant you it's mostly women. Their attention to detail and obsession with their hobby rivals model train enthusiasts.

I think in this day and age there's a hobby for anything, and women are not only not excluded from this trend, but tend to be passionate about it.

I've also found women who are nerds about coffee, mind you. Many have YouTube channels about this.


A friend of mine just discovered book nook kits. He's jumped in pretty hard, with multiple kits and custom 3d printing various greebles for his new models/dioramas.

Example book nook: https://boardgamegeek.com/image/7900081/scotte

That community is about 95% women. Book nooks are adjacent, hobbywise, to dollhouses, which may explain it.


That's quite lovely, how marvellous


> interpreted as "women can't be that type of person" which I disagree with.

Women can be that type of person, for sure, but statistically they tend not to be, and on a colloquial forum we write colloquially and interpret intent broadly and generously, the best to facilitate productive dialogue and avoid descending into semantic argumentation.


Wow love the 80s style :D

Also there is a parallax effect if you swipe that is really well done.

When I was a student working at Atos Worldline, Belgium, they had a similar dashboard in the entrance of the building with the number of transactions and money transferred around Xmas.


They should have gone further like .NET 8.0 with a full class abstraction for datetime provider: https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/dotnet/core/whats-new/dotn...

This is 10x better and helps to assure the code can be unit tested with providing the exact date we want in the exact format/timezone


That's a lot of complexity. How's that better than requiring an arg with the timezone?


Because you can now fully simulate arbitrary times during testing by providing your own implementation of the time provider. If you just take in a timezone as an argument, how will you simulate it being 2041-08-23T21:17:05.023743Z?


Uh, just assign your mock function to `<insert name here>`? Python is really the wrong language to be complaining about a lack of mockability.


True. When you can just make any function be whatever you want whenever you want that sort of abstraction does seem a big much. I was responding to the specific question in reference to the time provider in .net 8.


Ah, fair enough. C# certainly presents more of a need for that sort of abstraction, being a statically typed language.


I have a hard time understanding the link between the feature of a key server and block chain.

This is a great idea to simplify PGP, love it, but nothing to do with block chain at all.

Basically a public key server where all recipients have their public key available to send email too and have proton mail use it automatically.


I've been using Borgmatic for this.

It does everything, uses pg_dump under the hood, and adds the output as files for Borg.

Borg then takes care of encryption, incremental and also bit rot. Best solution ever in my book.

Also you can directly restore the db with Borgmatic.

https://torsion.org/borgmatic/docs/how-to/backup-your-databa...


This looks great. When working in smaller teams, there's a lot of pushback when the suggestion of adding a new tool comes up, mostly due to the learning overhead involved. This might be just what we need, since it leverages existing tools many are familiar with already. Thanks for the suggestion.


Thanks for the tip. Maybe this will replace my shell automysqlbackup script.


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