It'd be more like if the US were fighting a civil war and substantial fighters on the government side were part of neo-Nazi paramilitaries that had swastikas as their flag.
Oh and also if the US government started banning other languages then english.
None of this justifies Russian imperialism, but I think we get too caught up in war and can often brush the crimes of the side we agree with under the rug.
> They expected to win quickly and easily - and are shocked it did not happened.
Very possible, but neither you nor me are in the position to know that.
> Holodomor, which is still debated whether it counts as genocide or not.
For that matter, historically, Russia holding punches was not exactly the thing. Not even toward Russians.
The Holodomor was clearly a completely orthogonal issue to this as it wasn't a military conflict.
> Not even toward Russians.
What are you referencing in terms of conflict? Probably not chechens, because that would only go in favor of GPs point.
> War in Syria did not started by indiscriminate bombing of cities. It got there through series of escalations when rebels refused to give up.
> The idea that this will stop punches now that they are refusing, purely because both are white, is something only Americans can think.
The domestic opposition in Russia over killing far fewer people is already much larger than it was to the intervention over Syria which killed far more civilians early on.
It is not something "only Americans can think" that Russians care more about the lives of people of close ethnic relation to them as compared to Syrians.
> Holodomor is relevant, ot orthogonal.
> I meant purgers, internal thing toward Russians.
Neither of those were covered on the TV. They are also from over half a century ago.
> 2011 to 2015 is long time of escalations.
But 2014 to 2022 isn't?
The idea that Russians care equally about the lives of Syrians and the lives of ethnic Russians & Ukrainians is fantasy. It's obviously false, even if Russians killed Russians in purges 60 years ago.
Russian TV is not broadcasting Ukraine war. For that matter, western tvs are not broadcasting full brutality of wars either. It is all sanitized for viewers good feelings.
> 2014 to 2022
Sure, Ukraine actually got ready to defend. Russia actually got to the point of being ready to start war again.
But, actual full war started last week with hope of 96 hours till victory, installation of puppet goverment and weak divided west. They wanted them to be kind of like Belarus, useful for further own plans.
> The idea that Russians care equally about the lives of Syrians and the lives of ethnic Russians & Ukrainians is fantasy. It's obviously false, even if Russians killed Russians in purges 60 years ago.
They don't care about Ukrainians lives at all. If they keep not winning, they will move to deep active hate. Ukrainians are already nazi for them and that includes the Jewish president. And that sentiment is real inside Russians who do believe oficial version.
Purges were not 60 years ago. They were the thing Stalin shot himself into own leg right before WWII. But, fuckup at start is on brand here. Stalin has raising popularity as maligned father of Russia in Russia last 10-15 years.
Much of the US media spent the 2 weeks up to the invasion excoriating the German government for being reluctant to commit to certain sanctions if Russia invades as well as offering scant military aid to Ukraine.
Apparently most self-identified leftists in the US didn't get the memo because they haven't been anti-corporate since corporations rainbowed themselves after Occupy Wall Street ended. The 1999 WTO protests in Seattle could never happen today but a celebration of the WTO and global corporate power certainly could. That's simply what the left in the US has become: another wholly owned subsidiary of Corporation Inc.
You are imputing a lot of views onto "leftists" that I do not think are accurate. I am unsure how rainbow flags have any relevance to this discussion.
So called "pinkwashing" is well known among leftist circles so to suggest that entire political spectrum has been hoodwinked by American corporations seems wrong?
The real answer is just that the Left isn't particularly powerful in the US, even during the WTO protests.
There's always the mistake of assuming the person means the US Left as opposed to another country's Left movement, but the Left as understood within the US is quite powerful. It seems really as if both movements divide the country in two.
> That said I don't have a good solution. Maybe somehow promoting better sources of news or making it easier for these more reliable news sources to generate income.
I think the basic idea is that the government shouldn't be involved in institutionalizing or promoting preferred media narratives of any form.
I disagree that the "larger issue" is that people are misinformed. In fact, I would suggest that there have been several thousand years where people were horribly misinformed on a number of topics.
Sure except the subpoena in question was not actually about records of conversations that the rioters had, it was about efforts FB did/didn't take to discount election misinformation.
Election misinformation is covered by free speech.
> It forbade the use of "disloyal, profane, scurrilous, or abusive language" about the United States government, its flag, or its armed forces or that caused others to view the American government or its institutions with contempt. Those convicted under the act generally received sentences of imprisonment for five to 20 years.[2] The act also allowed the Postmaster General to refuse to deliver mail that met those same standards for punishable speech or opinion. It applied only to times "when the United States is in war." The U.S. was in a declared state of war at the time of passage, the First World War.[3] The law was repealed on December 13, 1920.[4]
Oh and also if the US government started banning other languages then english.
None of this justifies Russian imperialism, but I think we get too caught up in war and can often brush the crimes of the side we agree with under the rug.