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The next step in ruining Signals reputation.

They just keep on bugging.


Are you ready? [Y/N]

> N

command not found: N


Bold claim!


Apparently some things got stolen already the first night since apparently they did not guard the side properly. :/


That's okay, they probably didn't have time to remove the curse(s) protecting them.


Please curse me with Bronze Age gold


Oh, this is not a Michael Jackson reference ...



For god's sake, there is opus. I just don't understand, why people stick with their 90s codecs.


Do you mean Ogg Vorbis? Opus is a codec for speech.

I hate pulling rank so fiercely, but I literally wrote the second (i.e. first non-reference) implementation of the Ogg container format (which Opus, Vorbis and sometimes FLAC use). I know these codecs.

Ogg Vorbis and AAC hit similar levels of quality as a 192 kbps MP3 around 160 kbps. (That actually depends a fair amount on the MP3 encoder. The LAME VBR is particularly good.)

But I have an 11 year old receiver and a 12 year old car that can't play them. Hell, even iTunes can't without third-party codec plugins. MP3s are about as universal as it gets. Being able to play my files everywhere is pretty high up on my list of concerns.


Opus is a codec for speech.

Opus also is very good on music, better than Ogg. At higher bitrates (~160) any of the lossy codecs will do fine but Opus sounds good under 100.

https://wiki.hydrogenaud.io/index.php?title=Opus#Indicative_...


>Opus is a codec for speech.

As I understood things Xiph intended for it to replace both speex (for low-bandwidth low-latency voice) and vorbis (for medium bitrate lossy audio). Is this understanding wrong?

>Ogg Vorbis and AAC hit similar levels of quality as a 192 kbps MP3 around 160 kbps. (That actually depends a fair amount on the MP3 encoder. The LAME VBR is particularly good.)

While this is true there's a bit of nuance to add. Some people really don't like the sound of vorbis's artifacts on difficult to compress audio. Maybe it's growing up with fried mp3 recordings being common, but mp3's artifacts are less jarring.


Opus is meant to obsolete every other lossy audio compression [0]. You make a good point about hardware support, but technically it's the winner for generic use, not just speech.

[0]: https://wiki.xiph.org/OpusFAQ#Does_Opus_make_all_those_other...


> MP3s are about as universal as it gets.

The same holds true for cassette tape decks in old cars.

> even iTunes [...]

That's Apple's policy. Personally I wouldn't use the word "even" here. It's like saying "Not even the butcher sells vegetables!".

Apart the Apple ecosystem, opus is as established as it gets. Android supports it natively since 2013(?) (Android 5.0).

So, yes, if you want TeX-like backward-compatibility, it might be a good choice.

For all others: knock knock The new millennium arrived!

P.S. I do think that I don't have the worst hearing and kind of decent listening equipment and I can nearly half the file size using opus at a comparable quality.


MP3 is indeed universal, and iTunes doesn't support FLAC. However, on my Mac there are any number of third party players that do (e.g. I have Elmedia Player at the moment), and on the Android almost every music player app supports FLAC.

I don't know about an iPhone. I assume you can find apps that support it.


I actually went digging for a bit on information about audio codecs being decoded in Qualcomm's hexagon DSP. I'm no expert but it seems like recent generations of the platform (anything post-2013 or so) don't bother with hardware decoding for audio codecs (except for in voice calling with AMR and EVS). It appears to be all software codecs for many generations now. Makes sense as even the efficiency cores on modern mobile devices are way overkill for audio.


Just wanted to recommend the Landau and Lifshitz book as well. It's pretty dense but elegant.


I should probably set a filter rule for medium. The quality of all recent articles I skimmed was subpar.


Feature: anyone can have a blog!

Bug: anyone can have a blog.


That's self fulfilling. You can skim the article in seconds. Most is blabla.


It's like there is no barrier to entry to write a blog post -- anyone can do it!

Remove the long bulleted list about the travails of writing and publicizing a blog post, and you are left with a dozen short paragraphs whose thesis boils down to:

>> You can read an article written by someone who went through the difficulties I mentioned earlier and spent quite some time creating a content that he found important enough, or you can read the comments made by several other people who took like 10 seconds to write something (often mean and critical) about the title of the article.

Doesn't really require a lot of careful reading and consideration.


I have learned or got nothing by reading this - just lost time.

The only reason I skip HN more and more is because of stuff like this floating on top.


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