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Count me as anecdotal evidence in the 35+ bucket of those who went from full remote to hybrid and highly prefers hybrid (after a decade of full remote).

Having a thriving office has been a breath of fresh air for when I want to see people. The key is it being optional and up to employees to decide what's best for them.


I am starting to think that part of the issue is 'one size fits all' approach that we centered our society around. I genuinely hate hybrid. I would rather have either full remote or full office, because hybrid messes with my routine and sleep pattern.

Unfortunately, employees choosing their preferred mode means more headaches for employers ( they want to track it somehow ).

I know what I prefer. I know what is possible. As humans, we do not agree on what is the 'right' way. And in US, employers used to hold all the cards ( which is part of the reason they are praying for a recession ).


> The key is it being optional and up to employees to decide what's best for them.

Agree.

My issue is not about remote, hybrid or onsite, but more about some management mandating one way of working for everyone.


The problem is that that doesn't really work. The people working in the office don't get the benefit of in person social connection if others aren't coming in, too. Either you have people coming (win for the office people, loss for the remote) or you have people working from home (the reverse). Leaving it up to everyone to work it out on their own doesn't really solve the problem.

That being said, working it out "per team" is generally reasonable. I've had hybrid stints, and I always coordinated with my team so that we all came in on the same day. Then we could do the social thing together at the office.


There is always a fraction of people who will chose to go to the office. That's enough to have social connection. These persons do not have to be on your own team.

The last 10 years or so I have been working on teams splitted in 3 to 5 different countries, and now in 3 different continents. In that case you are effectively working remotely even when your are working in a company's office.


Can't say I agree with that. Seeing "anyone" is not the same as seeing the people you're close to (work closely with, know well). It certainly doesn't bring me the same mental benefit.


It is not the same but having teams split in different timezones has other benefits and it is often desirable to work that way. One example: on teams handling operationnal roles having teammates in different timezones being primary responders avoid being on call outside of your office hours.


From what I've heard, the key differentiator is the plan/concept, whatever you wanna call it, that went into the hybrid setup. If it's just an office where everyone can come in whenver, you will face all the - almost cliché - problems: people being stuck in virtual meetings while being in the office, only 20% of your team being in the office on every given day, etc. etc

So if you have a manager that really manages your in-office experience, hybrid is seen as preferred by my peers.



"A computer can never be held accountable, so has increasingly been used to make management decisions." — IBM slide from 1979.

AI didn't wrongly convict anyone. People leveraging AI did.


I believe the 1979 original read "...Therefore a computer must never make a management decision".

https://constelisvoss.com/en-gb/pages/a-computer-can-never-b...


I think I actually like the misquote, as it's more powerful, although the original is more prescriptive.


"Computers don't argue"


Can we have an honest conversation about all the people enabling X , not just those making management decisions?

If we design an algorithm that will be used to put people in jail by algorithm [1], is that exempt from culpability? What about the engineer that implements it? If they are not responsible, but the code is buggy and the bugs cause real harm, are they now to blame?

Where is the line that we should not cross ?

[1] https://www.cbsnews.com/news/hertz-to-pay-168-million-in-bog...


That’s not quite the correct quote.

Source: https://twitter.com/MIT_CSAIL/status/1604884273789603842


This is exactly why computers are being used to make management decisions. Diffusion of responsibility is a hell of a drug.


And AI didn't cause his rape, the prison system did.


Eh, an abusive system inside of an abusive system. It's best to look at it in its entirety to get a view of the systemic abuse.


Do you have a link to a source?



That one slide can easily be found via google, but I cannot find the full presentation


Ramp | Full-Time | Front-End Engineer (All Levels) | Remote US, Canada (NYC offices) | $250k+ TC

Ramp is looking for talented front-end folks who live and breathe UX. Our front-end stack is React (hooks), TypeScript, vite, and a shiny component library.

See the job posting and apply directly at [senior-frontend-job].

Email any questions [email protected].

We're also hiring for other roles, see all openings at [all-jobs].

———

Ramp is building the world's first finance automation platform designed to save businesses time and money. Ramp offers 5-in-1 software that consolidates corporate cards, expense management, bill payments, accounting, and reporting into one simple and free solution. We're a young hypergrowth startup building top tier product in the B2B fintech space (3y old, $8.1B valuation, Series C, ~500 employees, ~100 engineers)

Cool breakdown of our business: [breakdown]

More recent articles on the economy: [july-2022-update] [mar-2023-news]

[senior-frontend-job]: https://jobs.ashbyhq.com/ramp/4f9dd90d-f32e-46d5-b0c0-c69272...

[all-jobs]: https://jobs.ashbyhq.com/ramp?utm_source=Pk8jzEeRLO

[breakdown]: https://www.notboring.co/p/ramping-up

[july-2022-update]: https://ramp.com/blog/ramp-july-2022-update

[mar-2023-news]: https://techcrunch.com/2023/03/29/ramp-reports-4x-revenue-gr...


I applied more than two months ago, did this test and submitted everything, but never got a response. That’s very underwhelming given the time I put into the application.


That was a really fun challenge and helped me freshen up on some skills I forgot I had. Thanks for that.


Why are you having people do some sort of CTF challenge to even apply?


we get a lot of volume and this helps us quickly identify people that are a) strongly motivated and b) strong candidates


But you also deter the strongest candidates because you are not considerate of their time which also gives the wrong impression of the culture at Ramp. Requiring a challenge that could take x amount of hours to complete on a very slim chance that person would get hired is very inconsiderate. There is no incentive. Not everyone who is looking for a job is straight out of college, unmarried and/or don't have other responsibilities. Just because a candidate chooses not to do this challenge doesn’t mean that person wouldn’t be “strongly motivated” or a “strong candidate” to work for you. That’s why proper interview processes exist to sort out those individuals. If you want to limit the amount of “volume”, I would suggest considering other methods or not hire at all. I would assume that the fact I see job postings everywhere for Ramp, including here, and the fact that you require this challenge, must mean you are getting little “volume” of applicants.


plenty of us are married with kids, weird extrapolation. you spent more time debating this on hn than you could've spent on our challenge. i'll chalk it up as bad prioritization :)


I did the Android take home last year and built it with full MVI, Compose, and unit tests and was rejected because the reviewer didn’t like the default animation between screens.

Please tell us more about how Ramp respected my time!


Sure thing: by not putting you through the rest of the interviewing process that takes 5 more hours :)


How condescending. Whether you love this job or not, there seems to be valid criticism about your hiring process. Instead of responding with empathy and concern, the glib responses are a turn off on their own. Are you setting a good corporate example in treating candidates this way? Is this representative of your work culture?



In some sense "strongly motivated" is "strongly desperate".


Android/iOS openings are not listed on your page.


Interested in the iOS Engineer job, but didn't find that opening on your careers page. Also, it isn't mentioned if this is a remote worldwide opening? Or just US remote?


Does this mean remote anywhere within US? or anywhere in world?


I was wondering the same, and saw that this was asked in previous Who is hiring threads, but a clear answer on what "Remote" means was never provided, so until that happens here's what I found:

Seems like Europe is a "maybe" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35428210 and Canada is a "yes" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35427290

I also looked it up on LinkedIn. Out of 148 employees marked as working in engineering on LinkedIn, only 14 are based outside the US - and all 14 are in Canada.

Some older comments in Who is hiring? Threads say "continental US preferred", and "US timezone preferred", but these comments are a few years old - although the data on LinkedIn seems to imply that this is still the case.


Well, that's not "remote anywhere".


updated. we're currently primarily looking at US, Canada, and Argentina and always exploring other options


Just curious whats stopping your company to hire worldwide, Is it just timezone or local laws/regulations?


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happens abundantly in Argentina


Argentina is very similar to Europe, culturally, so that doesn't surprise me.


Specifically Germany?


Obviously Spain, less obviously so Italy, and obviously not Germany despite Péron. There is a fair amount of German descendants, but their ancestors predate WW1, let alone WW2's high profile nazis that were let in (I'm assuming this is the basis of your comment, apologies if not).



the squatting or the killing or the concept?


we're open to remote for all roles


europe depends on yoe for us


what's yoe?


Years of experience


yes


not that literal


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