So he should just eat the cost that will add up over time, which is an unsustainable business model? Plenty of people buy subscription-based services, so I think 'everyone hates' means you actually hate it.
It's a great product that you can just ignore and not buy and the subscription model is told to you up-front, so there are no surprises.
> So he should just eat the cost that will add up over time, which is an unsustainable business model?
No, I think he should just not have built this product. However, this is my personal feeling and it seems there is some kind of market for it, so what do I know.
Most technical teams won't do this because it will most likely mean a smaller team. You don't need nearly as many people (they also don't have to have as much experience or knowledge) to maintain 3rd party tools as you do to build in-house ones.
It's the same reason open source reduces head count (something I predicted in the early 2000s and did see this come true years later).
It also sucks to depend on a binary blob + support contracts. Open source wins again. Much more so if you are willing/able to roll up your sleeves and fix the bugs yourself. Noone else will be as motivated as you to fix your particular bug.
I keep finding that it's surprisingly possible to fix the various bugs I encounter, once I decide to actually dig in. Even in languages I'm not an expert in. Available source + build system is worth so much.
Often the biggest hurdle is the mental one, to actually try.
> Much more so if you are willing/able to roll up your sleeves and fix the bugs yourself.
I can count on one hand the number of times I've seen that done over the past 25 years, excluding myself. I can also count on one hand the number of times I've seen people build their deployed artifacts from source. These are actually related issues: if you've never built what you've deployed then you're going to be reluctant to make changes, build, and deploy. In theory open source can be much better than what it is, but in practice it's not much different than binary "blob + support contracts", and that's a shame.
A 'Fuck You' in this instance is ignoring regulations that have been in place for years preventing outside competition. This is the 'disrupt' startup model.
It works well when you have lots of capital to expand and fight lawsuits.
Yeah too many of the examples seem to be just that. It’s no true for all “disruptive” startups, it’s not always even bad, but it’s a different play than just solving a problem in a new way.
- Uber is an end-run around existing taxi monopolies (imo a good thing), plus I believe taking advantage of people’s inability to think longer term about depreciation on their vehicle when calculating earnings.
- crypto is an end-run around securities regulations. It’s not a payment system it’s an investment scam that would be illegal if used with other financial instruments
- a vast swath of big tech is profitable on the back of not providing customer service or recourse of any kind and just automating business without regard for edge cases (not necessarily regulation but formerly a requirement for a business to participate in society)
Disagree, the author is using Fuck You as a proxy for customer pain. Fuck You taxi industry works because people hate taxis. Fuck You hotels worked because people hate hotels. Fuck You Google works (in terms of llms) works because Google results became shit.
Identifying industries where people begrudgingly accept the status quo because they need the service but hate everything about how it's provided is your opportunity.
Paul Graham also has a good way to frame this which perhaps I should have touched upon.
"A principle for taking advantage of thresholds has to include a test to ensure the game is worth playing. Here's one that does: if you come across something that's mediocre yet still popular, it could be a good idea to replace it. For example, if a company makes a product that people dislike yet still buy, then presumably they'd buy a better alternative if you made one."
Airbnb and hotels.com and the likes have been pushing the hotels towards a race to the bottom but actual hotels are not bad in my experience. Small quasi-hotels with ordinary flats that run like a estate get rich quick scheme are though.
I feel like Airbnb started more on the provider side as "fuck you landlord/local government I'll sublet if I want and you won't catch me" more than a fuck you to hotels specifically. Any "fuck you hotels" on the customer side was mostly on the price side - Airbnb was indeed cheaper when it was a bed, a towel and a plate in someone's flat rather than a specially-bought and renovated property where you never see the host except to pick up a key. Maybe the "meet real new people" thing had some legs at first for some gregarious types, but it clearly wasn't that important since it's mostly gone now. It bootstrapped into a whole property market thing when it turned out to be outrageously profitable in tourist areas and created a whole new supply of holiday let properties at the expense of local residential supply.
Hotels/Booking.com are more of a fuck you to travel agents and/or opaque or fragmented hotel pricing, since they don't provide an alternative to the hotel itself.
That's confusing things. There are bad, good and great hotels. There are bad, good and great airbnbs. The problem is what will the management of that place do or try to get away with; what can the client do; what can the intermediary / rating. That was already the case before Airbnb.
If an airbnb and a hotel choose to race to the bottom, perhaps they deserve each other and the rest of us deserve a way to avoid them? (Or use them if it came to that...)
I think Airbnb and hotels.com do not push people to the bottom - they offer a minimal bar or set of features to look for quality / price ratio. Are they perfect? No. But they make discovery much easier.
Beijing has factories for things like solar panels, but is still creating coal plants at a rate higher than most other countries.
Many in the US don't have the stomach to achieve what is required (which what's happening in China right now):
1. Slave labor
2. No labor unions
3. Working many more hours for less pay (many employees sleep where they work)
4. Not caring about intellectual property, including your own work that might get sucked up into AI models
5. No workplace regulations
This doesn't even include the fact that China has a massive surveillance network keeping everything in order.
We have 1/100 of this in the US and people already act like they are persecuted prisoners.
Funny enough Europe uses the same excuses against America. That the reason America is far ahead of them is because of slave labour, no universal healthcare, etc
> Not caring about intellectual property, including your own work that might get sucked up into AI models
But this is particularly funny. Which American AI company has respected anyones IP when it comes to AI? Aaron Swartz is rolling in his grave seeing OpenAI.
yes companies like Samsung and Apple are listed. No, it's not the predominant industry sector.
I don't want to descend into whataboutery, but it's entirely legal to use prisoners for slave labour in the US, and is routinely discussed in US legal reddit and the like: It's normalised in the states which depend on this kind of labour to get some things like road construction/maintenance done. Historically it was field work as well. I am unsure if this continues.
You would not at this point say the VC funded AI push in the west had very much concern for IPR. This is why IPR holders are in court. And yes, courts do exist in China, even if you stand very little chance of a just outcome as a foreigner.
"Prisoners for slave labour in the US, and is routinely discussed in US legal reddit and the like: It's normalised in the states which depend on this kind of labour to get some things like road construction/maintenance done. Historically it was field work as well. I am unsure if this continues."
While it is used in some US industries, it's not nearly as pervasive as it is in China. I also think it's a much different situation in the US. In the US, it might be someone in prison for life getting a lower wage to pick up garbage on the road (as opposed to being locked in a cage all day).
In China, it's the way of life for many people in many provinces. The article you linked to is a good example of this.
I wasn't just talking about slave labor, though. It's regular labor with no regulations and long hours, which leads to children working and other horrific conditions.
It's pretty easy to get ahead, when you don't have to follow the same rules as the countries you are competing against. The irony also isn't lost on me that Republicans have wanted to get rid of regulations for years and many in the tech industry support China without hesitation.
"even if you stand very little chance of a just outcome as a foreigner."
In a few years, vibe coding might not even be a thing anymore. Wouldn't it be better to actually learn coding, so you can then use vibe coding to increase your productivity (and know when it's giving you complete junk)?
It didn't succeed because he was always against making money from software. He also has pushed for governments to be forced to use FOSS.
I remember him doing some interviews in the 90s, and he would put his coat over the camera, if it wasn't using FOSS. This sort of zealot mindset will always be on the fringes of society and eventually abandoned for something more liberal (which is what we've seen in the last decade or so).
What's not mentioned here is that every single successful OSS project is funded by multi-million dollar corporations and the reason it's so prevalent today.
The rest usually become abandonware because maintainers don't have the time or energy to continue with it for years at a time, especially if they can't make money from it.
Yes. Hillary's emails: brushed aside with the added cherry from the 'security' community saying that hosting your own email server for confidental emails is no big deal.
> ... "the added cherry from the 'security' community saying that hosting your own email server for confidental emails is no big deal."
Literally nobody (sane) in the security community would ever say that. On the contrary, they'll tell you that running your own email server for any reason is a whole can of worms that nobody wants to mess with, and if you give them twenty minutes of your time to listen intently, they'll list you a whole laundry-list of reasons why.
Regular people get charged for that level of violating regulations around classified information. They also get charged for having classified information in their bathroom or in their garage.
Yeah agreed. I'm not sure any civilian politician would really be charged for that type of violation though. Would've been nice if the DNC apparatus didn't downplay as if it didn't matter at all though: it does!
Note that this is actually quite different from the Mar-a-Lago case where Trump was asked to return documents, he said he did, then said he didn't have them, then asked people "what if we just said we didn't have them", then he was asked to return them again, and he said he didn't know anything about it.
It's a great product that you can just ignore and not buy and the subscription model is told to you up-front, so there are no surprises.
I think it's a great use of 2025 technology.
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