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they are just trying to make it like blockchain is not a big deal, hey we all have blockchain, saw it in an interview too.


Bitcoin saves lives in Venezuela, you people need to get your head from your asses, first world is not the only world.


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And bitcoin also pays for murders, launders money, etc. I feel, just as cash, it is quite ethics agnostic. Not knocking cryptocoin, just don't pretend it is a singular force for good. It is representation of capitol, albeit in a unique way.


I highly doubt Bitcoin is much used for laundering money, transactions are all happening in clear and if you try to hide traces by creating multiple addresses you are going destroy your capital in transfer fees (which are very high right now). It's clearly not the best currency to hide untraceable money.


I'd argue it's easier to use BTC securely when you're already laundering money than when you want to use it legitimately. Just use throwaway wallets to receive BTC, pay for goods that can be converted to physical cash and proceed laundering that cash as usual.

It's no surprise all the cryptolocker viruses asked for bitcoin payments or cash equivalent cards.


Wouldn't it be possible to temporarily switch to an intermediary altcoin (eg. ethereum, btc) ? I'm not invested nor an expert in any crytocurrency, so please correct me if I'm wrong.


Monero I think can be used for this, other main coins have a public ledger.


>And bitcoin also pays for murders, launders money, etc.

From scientific perspective this is not true. Bitcoin is way more open and traceable than good old dollars.


And destroys lives by contributing heavily to CO2 emissions which, funny enough, have an outsized impact on the citizens of third world countries.


It is not fault of bitcoin you are burning oil/etc for mining it. Use renewable energy.


...which could have been used to replace productive fossil fuel expenditures. It doesn't matter how you fuel egregious waste; its still a pointless thing to do?


I'd love for that to happen! But as it stands, when you use electricity, you're using whatever the grid supplies. And for Bitcoin miners especially, this power largely comes from burning coal.


Look up energy consumption of other worldwide services, like gold mining. Then get back to me.


Look up whataboutism [1], then get back to me ;-)

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism


lol, touche


if Gold can be irrational for 2k years, I don't see why not bitcoin can't, the only think gold has going for "longer history", yet HN folk love to say "past performance are not an...bla bla", yes it also has the 5% - 10% industrial use, but bitcoin has that too by being able to transfer it without third party, so will also not go to zero because will be useful as transfer of value.


Well ~78% of gold is used for jewelry and only ~19% is used as a store of value:

https://goldprice.com/facts-about-gold


Jewelry and "store of value" are not mutually exclusive uses. Lots of people would buy "store of value" gold in the form of a nice necklace rather than a lump of metal.


Gold has a price floor because it has some industrial utility and is useful for making jewelry.

All that has to happen to destroy bitcoin is a flaw in the implementation.

Seriously, look at OpenSSL and tell me the same issues aren’t possible in bitcoin.

When did we get so trusting of software that we decided it’d be a good idea to base currency on a distributed algorithm?


The project can always fork if major issues are found.

Bitcoin is very very far from a perfect solution, but it is a solution to many problems currencies have.


Given how hard it is for the community to do something as simple as increase the block size a tiny bit, I'm not confident that a fork could fix such a problem.


making jewelry is in the store of value spectrum, with only industrial use, would be at 5% - 10% of current price.


Aren't 'miners' the third party?


Saudi Arabia is not stable at all, take out the easy money from oil, and hell breaks lose, you should compare same wealth & polygamy vs non polygamy.


As I said in a comment above polygamy seems to be a symptom of extremes in poverty and/or religious beliefs, both of which are direct causes of conflict/war.


If you look longer term the 1999 is just a small blip, so what if bitcoin crashes, bitcoin will replace banks, which are crocked and make money out of nothing.


To make a prediction: bitcoin will only be successful as a currency, if we get fractional reserve bitcoins and other forms of book / paper bitcoins.

The futures market is one step in that direction. The balances held at exchanges are another one. See https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/136283.Less_Than_Zero for a historic comparison.


yes, bitcoin is better then gold, will probably get higher


Except, the millions of gold holders (including in jewelry, etc) around the world can transact among each other at any time.

Bitcoin can handle 3-7 transactions per second.


Except the industrial value of gold which is around 10% of its use and not the quality/pure one, how is gold better than bitcoin? The favorite argument and the only argument is its history, yet when someone tries to use the same historical argument of bitcoin going up and up for 7 years, the elitist, NY folk will quickly follow with "Past performance is not an indicator of future outcomes".

I think people here are just salty because they think they are smart yet didn't saw the value in the crypto/blockchain, especially that is up their geeky alley.


Good luck stealing a ton of gold using a keylogger.


if you keep a ton of gold in your house, good luck.. keeping it safe, there are safe ways to keep bitcoin, cold storage, etc. is not like is impossible.


It appears to be substantially easier to secure a ton of gold than the equivalent amount of Bitcoin.

It's also a lot harder to accidentally lose.


right is so hard to buy a device from amazon or print some words on plasticized paper and keep it safe, hell you can even memorize 12 words.


Sure, assuming the Amazon device isn't a compromised counterfeit, the printer isn't rooted, and the paper doesn't get burned up in a house fire.

Case in point: https://www.wired.com/story/i-forgot-my-pin-an-epic-tale-of-...


yes, this is what hold bitcoin back but is getting better, the amazon device can be software signed, also you could encrypt your keys and upload to all cloud hosts.


Your examples comes down to centralized decision & regulation, isn't money printing also "regulation" that's how they call it, wile bitcoin is the most decentralized currency, no Emperor can replace it, no changes can be done without widespread conses.

The incredible energy for digging out gold just to keep it in locked boxes, same for all precious metals, diamonds.


Gold has real life use even in electrical circuits, besides being pretty. Diamond is used in the industry as well, not just engagement rings. They are also all physical objects.

> no Emperor can replace it, no changes can be done without widespread conses.

When was the last time humans were capable of agreeing and working together for long term? The blockchain thinks it's got rid of the mad emperor problem, where in reality the BTC/BTH, ETC/ETH hard forking an existing blockchain is very similar, and introduced a whole new spectrum of problems humanity tried for centuries to solve, without success: reaching consensus.


> mad emperor problem

As a tangent, what is that? Didn't find it on google (thought I wanted the wikipedia on caligula).


> Read about ancient Rome and what problems rose when mad emperors decided to replace money with new coins out of the blue

I think it was a reference to one of the previous comments in the chain.


Gold real life use is a myth, around 10% of the demand, copper is much more valuable from this perspective.

When the US constitution was born, I don't know, democracy? BTC/BTH, ETC/ETH, crypto is even more democratic as the other side can go on their separate ways, as oposite to countries.


> crypto is even more democratic as the other side can go on their separate ways, as oposite to countries.

countries go their separate ways. Sometimes peacefully sometimes with horrible violence.

Do you not see massive issues with that happening with currency? Some dev gets pissed one day and fractures the currency market?


as you can't pay them with gold..


Gold doesn't claim to be a currency just as real as the Dollar.


You know, I'm willing to bet if you showed up at your local tax collector's with a large enough chunk of gold, they'd work with you.


Yes, but if you showed up in Tax Court with a chunk of gold, you would risk being held in contempt.


A 1-ounce gold coin issued by the US Mint is legal tender to the tune of $50. It says so right on the coin.

If you want to pay your taxes using gold coins, go right ahead. They will gladly accept it.


you funny.. hacks happen less then let's say you're mugged on the street or your bank account is emptied by carders/hackers.

The rest is just not true, the fees are high now because companies are slow to adopt seqwit and lighting network is in the works.

But hey the FED printed another few billions of dollars, fancy calling it quantitative easing, that devalues your money and makes assets expensive.


> hacks happen less then let's say you're mugged on the street or your bank account is emptied by carders/hackers.

Pretty disingenuous argument.

In absolute numbers, sure. But that is only because everybody walks down the street. Relatively few people use bitcoin so yes, in absolute numbers, perhaps it is true that more people get mugged on the street / bank accounts hacked. If Bitcoin somehow magically became the world's currency du joir, I promise you the number of stolen bitcoin wallets would far exceed the number of emptied bank accounts & muggers.

Oh, and if my bank account is emptied, I call my bank and say "hey bank, some fuckwit hacked my account" and if they are any good, I'll be back in business. No such luck with bitcoin. If my wallet gets emptied, I'm toast.


If I'm mugged, I'm not typically carrying my entire life savings.

If my credit card number is compromised, I report that to the bank and the money shows back up in my account in short order.

My money doesn't seem to have been significantly devalued by quantitative easing - inflation stayed at very low levels throughout the process.


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