As a Mac and iPhone user I am annoyed as this means I'll have to start migrating away from Apple over the next few years, paying for premium product only for the os and native apps to start getting adverts is atrocious and cannot be rewarded with my continued support.
Edit: I just checked the stocks app on my MacBook M1 Max and there are unrelated adverts alongside finance news items.
I am appalled and regretting my my m1 max (64gb ram, 4tb ssd) purchase for the first time. Up till now its has been one my of best tech purchases in my life. Not anymore.
This is a sign of pure greed. The most profitable company wants even more profits and will damage its brand to do so.
I thought 401k/IRA owners and beneficiaries of pension funds (including taxpayers who ultimately are responsible for the deferred compensation liabilities) also want market caps to keep growing.
Especially with an upside down population pyramid.
The problem is that there's now nowhere to go, unless you can deal with using Linux as your daily driver desktop OS. I have tried many times and have never succeeded, but if it gets bad enough I may have to find a way eventually.
Maybe it will be like some of Apple's changes that allowed Apple's apps to bypass a whole lot of the network stack, VPNs, content filters, firewalls.
They later removed it, and tried to spin it as a "temporary feature while they resolved bugs in those pieces of software", though it's hard to imagine what apps like TextEdit needed a network kernel extension for...
Even if they blocked it in the OS you’d still be able to block with an off device network solution like pihole.
Or just use alternatives to the offending apps. I don’t mind Apple’s stock software and try to use it in most cases to avoid the software tinkering trap, but it’s not like there’s any that’s best in class/irreplaceable.
I think the commenters objection is more about principle.
It's definitely difficult at first - the loss of polish, and the extra up-front setup to make it nice.
If you do try again, my advice is: Play to the strengths of the new OS.
MacOS makes decisions for you (usually good ones), but you're SOL if you don't like them. This culture affects native apps, too.
For me, getting good results out of Linux has been a question of putting in more up-front work to figure out what I actually want the computer to do. The result is... very comfy.
The big problem for me is that there just... isn't a way to do a lot of things on Linux without a looot of effort.
I use Linux as a daily, but I still have a windows computer for all the things you can't do anywhere else. Random executables that I (begrudgingly) need for work, life, etc.
It's definitely getting better, but it's still not quite there. I still need my windows computer for various things that have no alternative.
Yea similar for me. I run native linux for work, but a windows machine with a Ubuntu vm for private use. I just can't get around certain things only being really available on Windows.
Though I have a harder time thinking about macos things that are lacking in Linux apart from the Microsoft Office and the Adobe Suite. Especially since the dev experience on Linux is much better considering your servers or embedded devices are running on linux and macOS just adds an unnecessary layer of complexity to your dev environment. yea, you often don't realize it, until you work with C (which might sneek in as a library in your favorite higher language written in C for efficiency) or something else "native".
My point being it's much harder to get rid of windows than getting rid of macos. Even with a Mac I still needed a windows machine at least for games. But many people maybe just need pc + office + Adobe which is exactly mac.
Which is why I'm so glad that Valve/Steam are putting in the efforts they have been, even if it's yet another (less) walled garden. I don't play games a lot, but appreciate their efforts all the same.
Thankfully WINE's licensing ensures that Steam's compatibility layer doesn't get stuck in their walled garden exclusively, and all Linux users get to take advantage of Proton and their upstream WINE contributions for free.
I usually set up any new computer of mine as dual boot Linux (default) / Windows.
The Windows installation remains largely untouched and unconfigured, and only used for when there's no other option than a damn .exe. It's permanently there as an option when required.
I have been daily-driving Plasma (KDE) for ... eesh, at least 5 years now, maybe 7. I can't remember the last time I booted a Windows or Mac OS (for my own use). Plasma just keeps getting better too.
I use it as a generalist dev (so, interacting with lots of different environments) as well as hobby & entertainment (incl. photography).
The biggest pain point IMO is lack of a good email application. They're all aggravating in different ways.
The initial getting-started process requires a bit of reading to figure out hardware support and get a few things dialed in. That's a little painful, but shouldn't be a deal-breaker for dev types.
If you want to jump ship from the Windows/Mac dichotomy, check out Plasma. Runs great on Debian. Debian's less "sexy" than other distros, but it's a great solution for the "I just wanna get my work done" crowd.
I've used KDE for several years and it's gotten less stable for me. It doesn't fail loudly but there are just minor things in almost every KDE application that make it weird to use. Most recently the Night Color in KDE doesn't work even when it's on unless I close it and restart it.
Fair. I run into a handful of recurring glitches too. I just usually find them to be mild nuisances and not show-stoppers, and the rest works well enough that I'm still far, far happier with it overall than the mainstream alternatives.
Plasma really impressed me, as well. I went back to Linux expecting jank and to have to tinker a lot, and was pleasantly surprised when Plasma proved those expectations wrong.
What is missing from the Linux experience that is keeping you from switching? I have found Linux Mint to be quite capable for the last decade personally
There's a general jankiness that I don't enjoy dealing with (especially when using high DPI screens), but the real dealbreaker for me is the lack of support by professional-level photo editing software. I personally use Capture One for most of my editing, and it won't run on Linux.
I can't speak to high DPI screens, but I've certainly had display issues out of the box. Usually they just required installing the right proprietary drivers (which surprisingly the graphics card company supplied).
Have you tried Raw Therapee or Darktable? I'm not sure how well they would work first-hand, but they sound promising for photo editing and might have some overlap with Capture One
Yeah, its sad but its still very hard to operate in most full professional senior roles using only Linux. MS Office and high quality video conferencing are the two that are show stoppers for me. Pure technical positions its probably more viable but I could not get away with the quality my staff using Linux only suffice with (misformatted documents, unable to open things, Zoom crashing regularly, etc).
When even my healthcare websites contain Google tracking tags, it's getting harder to find _anything_ untainted by advertising companies, even after paying what I would consider a reasonable price for the service itself.
PopOS and Ubuntu-Budgie are pretty nice for general use... I think my only problem really is that Bluetooth headphones don't always auto negotiate to mono+mic to/from stereo... but I'd rather deal with that than ads in the Start menu search.
If you use a rolling release distribution, you'll get up-to-date Pipewire libraries and the latest Wireplumber, both of which improve compatibility with Bluetooth headphones a lot, especially with hardware with different profiles like Bluetooth headsets.
Bluetooth headphones actually work reliably now for me, whereas I used to not even bother because Bluetooth audio was always a gamble on Linux in the past.
Even just running a live Linux instance off of a USB drive can give you an idea if the latest versions of Linux + Pipewire can solve your use case better than distributions that are based on older software, like Ubuntu and PopOS are.
That's cool. If rather stay with a more stable release.. Though as it is most of what I do is in docker and tend to stick with flatpak as much as possible. So limit my risk of breaks a bit.
May give a rolling distro a chance when I do a new build in the late spring next year. Thinking of doing open loop water cooling for the first time. Mad as well go rolling release for the OS.
I haven't noticed any ads in Windows 10 LTSC on my gaming computer. I do have multiple layers of ad blocking though so it's possible they are being blocked by something and I just don't notice. Laptop is Debian.
Does LTSC still lag behind other Windows releases? I remember trying to get WSL 2 working on it but it turned out that the LTSC release didn't support it yet.
> this means I'll have to start migrating away from Apple over the next few years
I'm glad that you will, because unless a lot of people do this, it'll just prove to Apple that their customers will keep buying their products no matter what. Nine times out of ten, what Apple does is make decision that loyal users hate, but then those same people keep buying their products anyway, so they just stop listening to them at a certain point.
There's no alternative. All the alternatives are actually worse in terms of "greed" or whatever. Apple is the only one putting out quality hardware and software.
Actually even the software is somewhat suspect but it's still leagues ahead of the "competition".
Largely agree... that said, I'm still typing this from my Ubuntu-Budgie desktop as I'm sick of it... I'll deal with a little technical pain dealing with my bluetooth headset over getting served ads in the application search bar (Windows). Given Apple isn't far behind... I did get an M1 air for personal use laptop, but don't use it much and most of what I do use isn't Apple apps.
If its any consolation, my take on this is that by purchasing a Mac (and not an iPhone) and avoiding all apps from the App Store or anything that displays ads you actually signal to Apple that you value their open hardware and software ecosystem. I would dispense with the iPhone but not the Mac ... until the day they actually mandate the App Store on Macs.
What I mean by the next few years is instead of upgrading eventually to the M3 Max version of my laptop I'll buy something not Apple. If Apple continue down this path and don't do a reversal on this move.
PiHole goes a long way.. for mobile, I've setup wireguard at home, which lets my phone use my PiHole for DNS... Was the most convenient self-host option for it... bonus, is it blocks ads for other devices too.
I use nextDNS (not affiliated) which is hosted version of PiHole. At home, you can change Wi-Fi router's settings to use nextDNS as DNS server. That way, all your devices goes through nextDNS. Safari can be configured to bypass default DNS though..
I value the community here as I feel I’m getting thoughts and opinions that are not being filtered to suit my desires like Reddit and Twitter can.
For example I’m a long term Cryptocurrency user/investor/advocate and Hacker News is one of the few places I read negative discussions on Cryptocurrency that are well reasoned and anchored in reality.
Most discussion I see on other sites is either negative out of bitterness (and it shows) or positive for no reason other than misplaced hope.
There are other topics too I find insightful and the comments section often valuable even though it’s a topic that makes me feel not so good. For example topics regarding getting old, ageism, what we spend out time on in life.
Often confronting but helpful to see and read, sometimes causing me to change trajectory.
Again I rarely find a similar level of confrontation on websites to my wants and desires outside Hacker News.
I have a healthy group of friends that will confront me with similar levels of unease, never letting me get to comfortable.
Just wish more websites offered a similar experience.
Twitter and Reddit I find are time sinks with little return other than a place to burn time.
I also find that HackerNews doesn't suffer from groupthink as bad as other platforms. It is common to find Opinion A the top voted comment, and Opinion B which is completely contrary will be the most upvoted child comment, because both present valid points.
It feels more like an adult conversation where people can agree to disagree and carry on with their lives.
I very often upvote pairs of well-written comments that challenge each other, even if I disagree with one or both of them.
Beside promoting quality reasoning and references to interesting sources, I have an egotistic motive: bring more attention to the civilized discussion and thus get fresh opinions and references to help me make my own opinion.
That's not just your opinion, that's surely exactly the intention of the downvote option. If I were to suggest one small change to HN it would be to have to select your reason for downvoting (or flagging), such that "I disagree" is clearly not one of the available options.
People would still tend to (ab)use the downvote button as an outlet to express their discontent / disagreement. Just human nature, we can't all be robots.
To be clear: I frequently find myself undoing my downvote actions after a moment of reflection, in cases where I realize I've done an impulsive downvote because I didn't "like" the comment. I'm not perfect (first to admit: far from it), but I do try to be a good member of and positive force in our community.
Really appreciate you folks, most of the time this is a really cool place to spend time. Also, @dang deserves a lot of credit for keeping things headed in the right direction.
...that's surely exactly the intention of the downvote option.
Someone will be along shortly with link to Paul Graham writing that a downvote button can be used for disagreement. I disagree, so I don't have that one in my bookmarks, sorry.
It's not just Graham; it's current site moderation policy, and the rationale has been explained repeatedly (to wit: we don't want meta-discussions about the validity of votes, which are boring and outcompete substantive conversations, since everyone can come up with an opinion about a vote on the fly).
I knew the policy about meta discussion, but on a thread that itself was meta, talking about the thing using the thing, I figured I'd lay out one comment about commenting. I discovered, on closer inspection, that the guidelines also ask one not leave comments about the why of flagging a story. I rarely flag stories and have been guilty once of doing just that.
I also find HN unique in this regard, it’s so refreshing to have a platform where people of differing opinions can actually communicate without being downvoted to oblivion.
The other day I posted a differing opinion from the norm on Reddit and was downvoted out of the room. It was a well thought totally reasonable opinion.
What does it mean for these wildly popular platforms if we are unable to have adult conversations?
I remember seeing data on Reddit users some time back. You're not dealing with adults, in general. It's mostly bots, kids, and young adults who still live in their parents' basement. You shouldn't go to a Fortnite convention and expect to have adult conversations, either.
I invite you to read HN with "showdead", you are bound to quickly change your high opinion. The amount of petty flagging and downvotes to suppress diverging opinions is staggering.
If you see a [dead] comment that shouldn't be dead, you can vouch for it, which (when enough users do that) brings it back from the [dead]. See https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html#cvouch. We added that feature years ago because banned accounts sometimes post good things.
If you see an account whose posts are nearly all [dead] - which means either they're banned or running afoul of our software somehow - and you don't think they deserve that fate, you can always email [email protected] and ask us to take a look. I've actually been working on a ban review system that will allow us to catch cases where accounts have been making good posts and don't need to be banned anymore. Though in the Dostoevskian underworld of internet dynamics, I have seen several cases of banned accounts which, as soon as they noticed they weren't banned, immediately begin violating the site rules in the most garish way until we ban them...apparently indicating that they prefer that state.
Please make sure you're up on https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html, though, because if an account has been breaking the site guidelines, you can spare yourself the trouble of emailing—we're just going to point that out as the reason why the account needs to remain banned.
I browse with "showdead", and I find it to be a constant reminder of why such things are necessary. It is rare that I find a shadow-banned chucklehead who isn't an actual chucklehead blow-hard, and when I do I let them know (if possible) that they might want to hit up the moderators. Can't remember the last time I felt it necessary to do that, though.
The main problem is not that content on other sites is 'being filtered to suit my desires', but rather that content that THEY want you to see is often being shoved down your throat, whether you like it or not. Likewise they censor content that THEY don't want you to see.
There are just too many news stories that show how media sites and social media are being manipulated to push the agenda favorable to those who control them.
Not sure how Ethereum does it, but on Tezos any node can submit proof another node has misbehaved and be awarded a certain amount of the misbehaving nodes deposit.
All of this works via code and no human intervention is needed.
I assume Ethereum has something similar, as there isn’t much gain in restricting those who are allowed to submit a proof that a node/validator is up to no good.
I am the "analysis software coordinator" for a nuclear physics experiment (MUSE). The software framework we use was originally developed by me, on a macbook pro, mainly, targeting both MacOS and Linux. We have to onboard new students regularly, and it's quite a software stack to compile (Geant4, root, helper libs, our framework). 5-10 years ago, I was happy if a new student was on Mac. Slap homebrew on it, install the dependencies, install the software. Pretty straight forward. But now, it get more and more brittle. New xcode? Better start downloading new versions and recompile everything, and pray that it works. Now I am actually happy if somebody brings a windows laptop. Slap on WSL, install ubuntu, just works. The number of students we had who used linux already on their laptop I can count on one hand with no fingers :(, but our new postdoc directly ran into an opengl problem on AMD which makes the gpu restart.... So from that perspective, Windows+WSL, with all its warts, comes closest to usable.
On a tangent -- You might want to look into Guix (at least just the package manager, if not the whole system/distribution); it seems quite popular for similar use cases. See, eg: https://hpc.guix.info/about/
Also, with regards to linux, what stops you from making that the default that students onboard to? I would imagine that something like this becomes quite easy if you have a culture where group members help onboard the new ones into the ways of doing things.
They typically have one laptop, and a) they are not happy if I tell them that they need to switch to linux (and no word, less games...) b) it's often cheaper laptops with questionable linux support.
It's not like we can buy them a work laptop. At least not for each undergrad.
Docker? After attemping to install dependencies and build GIS tools originating in the 90´s, I am so thankful for people who have published docker images of obscure software.
The students have to develop software using the framework, not just use the final program. I always found docker as a dev environment rather painful. Maybe I have to revisit.
Used Ubuntu for almost a decade now. Wouldn't call myself a tinkerer with respect to the OS, the defaults are totally fine. Drivers are rarely an issue ime. Maybe things have become better since last you tried?
I installed Ubuntu on my Acer laptop a few years ago. Fans didn't work after waking from sleep, so it'd overheat. Wifi was finicky. I didn't even try Bluetooth. Couldn't run Adobe Flash and thus couldn't watch the World Cup on the only legit website to watch in the US (Fox Sports).
Yeah, "not the OS's fault" etc. But Windows did all of that fine.
Windows did all of that fine because the manufacturer made the machine with the intent of running windows and shipped it with drivers for its particular hardware. A System76 machine would be the same with linux, apart from the flash thing, so you aren't really saying anything meaningful about any operating system.
I'm saying it's painful for the user, who doesn't care about these details.
But speaking of laptops made for Linux, a lot of modern Lenovo Thinkpads have unpatched issues with Bluetooth audio, and my coworkers are constantly fighting with that. So even us techies have an easier time with Macs.
Ubuntu / Linux definitely has come a long way. I used to compile kernels, write X11 config files, now it just works. Timed perfectly with my lack of time / willingness to tinker for hours to get stuff working.
I somehow found bluetooth and sounds in general to be the achilles heel of Ubuntu. Both installations I have/had in my family either sound stopped overnight or bluetooth didn't work anymore after an update.
Linux has had an arguably FAR superior UX to Windows since Vista.
Mac and Windows both have some great "power user" features - but I think for the average person, Ubuntu is far superior for usability.
I remember 10 years ago when my friends would use my Linux laptop and expect it to be impossible and couldn't believe how easy it was to use and figure out.
Maybe for a few rare laptops that have perfect driver support, it's on par. But this isn't a common case.
The main problem with Linux is for laptops - the power management is simply not in the same league as MacOS.
> Linux has had an arguably FAR superior UX to Windows since Vista.
Has had like 20 different maybe-superior UXes, often 2-3 for a single distro... which in a way is worse than one bad one that you get to know well. Like, I logged into my Linux machine at work one day, and the entire UI was suddenly different, ???
I finally dumped Mac completely for Ubuntu LTS on a Lenovo X1 Carbon about 12 months ago. My experience is that I'm now tinkering with things less on Linux than I used to on macOS/OS X.
I have an external Thundebolt dock that actually works. I'm not on the Xcode treadmill forcing me to update an OS because Apple dropped support. Updates are on my schedule instead of Apple's. I can use an actual standard 3D API (Vulkan) rather than the undocumented pile of crap that is Metal. My Bluetooth speakers are more reliable than they were on macOS. I can set my monitor resolutions without buying a dumbass Mac App. My printing system never gets confused forcing me to reinstall all my printers. I can go on and on.
Is it flawless? No. About once a week, my cursor response goes to absolute shit for about 90 seconds for no obvious reason. Occasionally, I hit one of the Wayland corner cases. Lots of software still doesn't run on Linux--so I have to keep a Windows box floating around, but I had to do that even with macOS. I've had 2 hangs over the last 12 months.
But, overall, while I can list grievances about my Macs endlessly, I have to actually think hard about what has genuinely pissed me off about Ubuntu.
I'm not going to deny anyone's experiences because when that's done to me I just get pissed off. In addition, I made a point to buy somewhat more expensive hardware that was a decent match to Ubuntu (better quality laptop, i5 for better thermal performance, max RAM and SSD). I'm just providing a counterpoint that for some of us Linux is a better environment than Windows or macOS.
> Desktop Linux GUI is still painful and really only suitable for those who love to tinker.
For what it’s worth, this is only true if you buy a device with poor Linux support which is kind of like buying a hackintosh and complaining about how much tinkering OSX requires. If you buy a good Linux box and put Fedora or PopOS on there, I think you’ll be productive instantly.
I’m actually trying to convince my current employer to let us use Linux laptops instead of windows ones (with Linux vms for all development).
My comment was in reply to someone saying Linux just works without needing to tinker, and as much as I’d prefer to be using a Linux based laptop, those are 3 things I have spent countless hours tinkering with to try and get working without success.
I assume that there is reasonable PC laptops out there which also have problems with “power management, screen sharing […] and certain Bluetooth headsets” …on Windows. If you were to encounter such a laptop, would you also consider Windows to “not work” with these three things?
I don’t encounter such laptops except when they run Linux.
Other OSes have their own litany of issues, however the topic under discussion was how well Linux just worked without tinkering, and these things are still pain points for Linux that I don’t encounter on other platforms.
This is not to imply that Linux is bad out that you shouldn’t use it, just that it is still not tinker free.
> Other OSes have their own litany of issues, however the topic under discussion was how well Linux just worked without tinkering, and these things are still pain points for Linux that I don’t encounter on other platforms.
My point is that yes you do. You just immediately attribute the problem to the other parts, not to Windows. Myriads of Windows users everywhere have all sorts of problems with all sorts of hardware, and everyone just accepts it as some sort of problem that they’re having. But a problem where Linux is involved somewhere? Then it’s suddenly Linux which is prone to problems.
I get battery life similar to Windows on my X1. I regularly share my screen on work-related meeting and it works for me without any issues on Gnome with Wayland.
I no longer use a Linux laptop for work but as recently as a year ago, plugging an external monitor/keyboard in to my X14 wouldn’t wake it up (required manually opening and closing the lid), I could use the headphones on AirPods but not the mic, and screen sharing on teams (and a bunch of other video conferencing software) would only work on X11 and not Wayland.
This was running the latest Ubuntu at the time (20, and then 21).
> I could use the headphones on AirPods but not the mic
This is still the case. I was just trying to get this to work. You can't use the mic on a Bluetooth headset. There's supposedly a workaround that requires you to install and run a smartphone software stack on your laptop, but I could never get it to work.
> I no longer use a Linux laptop for work but as recently as a year ago, plugging an external monitor/keyboard in to my X14 wouldn’t wake it up (required manually opening and closing the lid)
Is this supposed to work on Mac? Does it need configuring? Is it something I need to enable? I always had to remove and reinsert the power cord to wake a sleeping docked Macbook.
My WH-1000XM4 has Mac os sometimes forget it has an audio device when the Mac wakes from sleep, resulting in a need to manually disconnect and reconnect from the Bluetooth menu.
My Samson G-Track Pro USB microphone does not get recognised on M1 Macs. It worked fine on a previous Intel Mac.
Not the commenter but macOS regularly spams people with:
- Ads to try Apple Music free for a month.
- Ads to try News+
- Ads to try Fitness+
- Try Safari (if it’s not your default browser)
- Try/log into iCloud if you’re not logged into iCloud.
- Try the latest macOS release if you aren’t on it.
As an aside, you do not want to even log into the Mac App Store with a personal account on a work computer.
Logging into just the Mac App Store effectively logs you into your iCloud on that machine and sensitive personal data is then strewn across various files under ~/Library. The iCloud sysprefs will claim you are not logged into iCloud but ~/Library will show you the truth.
I see them on iOS any time I go to settings or take a photo or open Apple Music. You might not consider them to be ads, though. “Your iCloud storage is full…” and so on.
Not sure if OSX is like that, though, as I haven’t used it much in the last few years.
Which popups are these? The only one I ever received was when I hit the limit on my iCloud account. Certainly not anywhere as bad as all the adverts in teh start menu on my Windows work machine.
The point is not that paying $4 a month rent isn’t useful to some people. It’s that another group of people want to own a computer that doesn’t beg for rent at all.
The old macOS provided that the new Mac, not so much.
The old macOS didn’t provide any cloud storage option, and the new one does, for a fee. That seems like progress, not begging for rent or a reason to be nostalgic.
I agree with you in principle. I just take exception to the claim that this is somehow worse than Windows where you have pervasive 3rd party ads (including telemetry) and no way to opt out.
Frankly, I am rather pessimistic with the industry as a whole. Problems never seem to stay solved. There is constant churn, constant disruption of workflow and UI patterns. Constant change for its own sake and no reflection on what is really important.
I haven't seen an ad in in Windows system so far.
Onedrive is MS cloud and backs up your files for free.
Mac has full on telemetry where it logs every program you use every time you use it amd may stop you from using it.
Apple is building the biggest add network in the world and it needs captive audience for it, Mac will be small fish there but it will be locked inand down just like the iPhone or ipad.
It seems like after a certain level of complexity product design is a very difficult thing to do.
My guess is that few people have the skill to really get product refinement just right over the long term. So you end up with either stagnation, where people are afraid to improve things or random unnecessary changes that make stuff worse.
I've rarely found myself getting all that tied up in solving driver issues in linux especially after the first week of ownership of a new machine. Fighting annoying in OS ads, again, really a first week of ownership sort of thing.
Linux I find what's painful about it is that some things will always be kind of broken, for me it was bluetooth, I used bluetooth all the time, it did work, but I had to fight it into submission fucking daily. Windows? My goto example of what a shitshow windows is by far is the incoherent settings menus, and generally whereas Android and iOS and MacOS and Linux and all the OSes people actually use follow a lot of similar conventions Microsoft is SUPER SPECIAL and of course must do everything in their own unique way.
I don’t agree with these restrictions being imposed but it is worth noting that these are his bail conditions, alternatively the state could have denied bail and kept him in jail.
Stable Diffusion cost less than $1 million to train.
I'm dumbfounded to see all the gatekeeping around these ML models considering this.
Within 24 months someone will train a stronger model with a $20,000 home setup and this gatekeeping ridiculousness will be dead for good.
I'm excited to see what $1 million gets you in 24 months, possibly a multi-trillion parameter NLP god. :p