Hey I'm curious about this point of view—would you mind elaborating on what specifically justifies it in your mind? Is it because it's akin to a trade war and we're responding to their 'import restriction' with our own? Something else...? Thanks!
> a web forum that facilitates the discussion and harassment of online figures and communities. Their targets are often subject to organized group trolling and stalking, as well as doxxing and real-life harassment.These actions have tied Kiwi Farms to the suicides of three people targeted by members of the forum.
CloudFlare only dropped Kiwi Farms because Keffals made it inconvenient for them to do business with enterprise customers. Said customers were looking at Twitter and saying, "Wait, you host WHAT?!"
Before that CF was high and mighty on the "free speech" horse.
There's an old spat between CloudFlare and Malwarebytes where MB was threatening to block all of CloudFlare because they wouldn't remove literal malware. The argument being that running a reverse proxy "isn't hosting", and should be treated differently, even though to literally anyone else there's no difference between an origin server and a proxy.
CloudFlare is just sketchy as all get out, IMO.
Putting my biases on the table: I think CloudFlare shouldn't have hosted Kiwi Farms in it's current state, because I don't think hosting dox should be legal. A website that hosts dox is not engaging in speech, it is engaging in censorship. Hell, in the EU, it's already illegal to host dox, the US just needs to pass a privacy law comparable to that of the GDPR. Kiwi Farms is legal in the US purely for the same reason why the CIA/FBI/NSA can legally buy advertising data from Google and Facebook.
> CloudFlare shouldn't have hosted Kiwi Farms in it's current state, because I don't think hosting dox should be legal
But they keep doing it. Just not KiwiFarms but other websites. I've reported it to them, they claim they are only a proxy (that's not true, they are also the registrar and DNS). Nothing was done.
Yes, this is a bullshit distraction issue. Our congresspeople should be focused on other things, e.g., stopping the genocide of Palestinians, protecting LGBTQ/trans rights, reducing the cost of living for average americans.
Americans are ejecting to get this information. You have to download software, optionally allow it to send you notifications, the purposefully open and interact with it.
Your account has been using HN primarily for political battle and flamewar. You've also been breaking the site guidelines regularly in other ways.
We ban accounts that do this. It's not what HN is for, and destroys what it is for. I don't want to ban you because your account has been around a long time, but we need this to stop.
If you know your mind melts when you see it, then why consume it? Why install it at all?
There are plenty of companies that offer digital crack: video games, porn, social media (including this site). But we must give agency to humans. We must acknowledge that they make decisions voluntarily.
Regardless of the source, either we should regulate data, including streaming videos of all kinds, or we don't. Singling out a company seems like a political stunt with zero real world impact. And a bad policy at that.
> If you know your mind melts when you see it, then why consume it? Why install it at all?
For the record, I don't and never have. Occasionally something leaks through to me, including epiphenomena like this discussion. HN can be stressful at times too, but it's still somewhat useful and it'll be the final thing of this sort for me, should it ever kick the bucket (hope not, though).
> We must acknowledge that they make decisions voluntarily.
There's considerable behavioral determinism when exposing a population to addictive substances and propaganda. Modern neuroscience has basically killed the myth of free will. From an adversary's perspective this is awesome. From a profiteering actor's (corporations, drug cartels, influencers, casinos) perspective this is awesome as well. Would you like some sauce with this social capital?
> Regardless of the source, either we should regulate data, including streaming videos of all kinds, or we don't. Singling out a company seems like a political stunt with zero real world impact.
Sure, for all I care we can pull the plug on all of them and be better off. The systems we had for scientific, journalistic or cultural innovation and dissemination were sufficient and much better behaved (private TV can go as well). No more "professional" streamers (haha). No more perpetual reinserting the same recycled info into the collective goldfish's mind.
This would also abolish the "need" for storing the 86263961826th minecraft let's play, freeing up exabytes of storage space in the process.
Small online communities, that can actually (federatively?) host and moderate themselves will survive as they have before the maelstrom.
These examples are based around the idea of profit motive and these examples show a profit motive is rarely able to achieve the desired effect—these examples in no way speak to government agencies.
Nazi germany privatized vast swaths of their economy (steel, rail, etc.) [1]. So you want america to look like Nazi Germany? /s
This is not a serious analysis of history. Besides, a large number of countries (e.g., Sweden, Norway, France) have more public ownership of corporations than Argentina.
Indeed, as I recall, government owning part of a company, not all, is a fairly common practice worldwide. It recognizes that the company is quasi-governmental, as Boeing is.
Is this "better?" I don't know, but for an extremely large, capital-intensive, national security-critical industry, it might be the least bad solution (and no, I'm not a socialist).
>Nazi germany privatized vast swaths of their economy (steel, rail, etc.) [1]. So you want america to look like Nazi Germany? /s
And how exactly that privatisation is at all related to fascism? The argument is totally irrelevant. Let's turn this on its head: Most of American corporations are privately/publicly (and not the government) so does America right now look like Nazi Germany?
