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Merry Xmas!

I have to ask though, given America is a multicultural country: how come we don’t see celebrations on HN of the other two Abrahamic religions? I mean they have their own religious holidays and celebrations, and one actually coincides with Xmas this year.

Why the waspy vibe on HN?


Christmas is much more widely celebrated. Pretty much everyone in my family is atheist and we've always celebrated it. I'm in China right now and many of my Chinese friends are doing something for Christmas and wishing me "Merry Christmas", despite none of them being Christian. There are Christmas trees and decorations everywhere. It has become more of a cultural celebration than a religious one for many people around the world.


Christmas is not about Jesus at all, it's the American red-and-green snowy holiday with family, Santa, gifts and drinking. It's not perceived as a religious holiday by most of us. If you want those other threads, then perhaps you should personally create them. I'm sure nobody here will be upset with that.

As an aside, the letter X a literal form of Jesus's name.


It's not perceived as a religious holiday by most of us - of course not when majority of them are christians. For rest of us its a religious holiday. by not acknowledging it as religious event, you are just ignoring people of other faiths.


I am a person of no faith whatsoever. I celebrate Christmas. There's really not that much thought put into it.


There’s still a lot more Christian than Muslim or Jewish people in the USA/YC-prone countries, as well as people that celebrate it in some way for cultural reasons. So, demographics and it isn’t actually about religion at all for a lot of people.


Yep, exactly. Very few of my friends are religious at all, but we all celebrate Christmas. Not as a religious holiday, but as a time that by tradition we spend time and share gifts and love with friends and family.


This is the beautiful thing about Christmas. It’s a buildup of hundreds of years of traditions if you trace it back to Saturnalia. It’s a mix of ancient and modern customs, folklore from many cultures, and infinite family or personal traditions. The Christian angle is certainly there, but you can leave it out entirely and still have a full experience.


Christianity is uniquely welcoming in a way that neither Islam nor Judaism are. Judaism is exclusive and you're not invited. Islam is more similiar to Christianity but in many ways mutually exclusive with it, so again not really inviting for us in the western hemisphere with a Christian background.

In any case it is not up to people with a Christian background to decide to get their noses in the traditions of other cultures. That would be culturally insensitive. You should have posed this question to the Muslims and the Jews of America.


> Judaism is exclusive and you're not invited.

That's not strictly true. I suspect those that follow Orthodox and Ultra Orthodox Judaism are exclusive. However, those that follow Reform Judaism and the Conservative Movement support conversion to Judaism, so you are invited.


> Christianity is uniquely welcoming in a way that neither Islam nor Judaism are.

That's not been my experience at all.


Following your logic, Christianity would be not be inviting to those in Muslim-majority countries.


Do you post similar comments on other religious holidays?


Anyone can make a thread, maybe ask them why they choose not to?


He also said in an interview with Jensen soon after ChatGPT's launch that "before 2003, machines couldn't learn" ... LOL. I was stunned when I heard that nonsensical assertion. I guess it depends on his definition of "learn" ...


"learn" is usually used in opposition to "taught", which refers to "expert systems"-type engineering; in other words, providing data and a success heuristic and asking it to devise its own optimal strategies vs. providing strategies hand-designed by humans.

Obviously Perceptrons came out well before 2003, but I don't think it's necessarily out of line to say that they had limited efficacy before then, both for theoretical and compute reasons. But maybe I'm misunderstanding your criticism?


ILP goes back to the 80s, and was used to do drug discovery in the 90s. Bayes nets go back to the 80s as well.


"ILP" (as in Inductive Logic Programming not Integer Linear Programming) was first named in 1991 in a paper by Stephen Muggleton ("Inductive Logic Programming and Progol). The paper properly launched the field and generated a great deal of excitement at the time.

There were precursors. At least Ehud Shapiro's doctoral thesis ("Automated Debugging") in the 1980's and Gordon Plotkin's doctoral thesis in the 1970's ("Automated Methods of Inductive Inference"). Sorry for not giving the exact years off the top of my head but I think it was 1983 and 1976, respectively.

The point you are making is very right however because modern machine learning as a field started in the 1980's with the fall of expert systems, in fact it basically started as an effort to overcome one of the major limitations of expert systems, the so-called "knowledge acquisition bottleneck", which is to say, the difficulty of creating and maintaining huge databases of expert knowledge (in the form of production rules).

In any case the seminal textbook in the field for the first 20 years, Tom Mitchell's Machine Learning came out in 1997 (https://www.cse.iitb.ac.in/~cs725/notes/slides/tom_mitchell/...) and includes probabilistic, neural-net based and symbolic, logic-based approaches. So not only machines could "learn" way before 2003 but they could also learn in many different ways than what Ilya Sutskever means.

We can go further back, to Donald Michie's 1961 MENACE (the first Reinforcement Learning system, implemented on a computer made of matchboxes with coloured beads used to encode state) and Arthur Samuel's 1959 checkers player (a paper on which gave the name to the field of machine learning).

Lots of learning all over the place long, long before 2003.


Yes, so what does it say about our rigged system for a guy who neither invented the attention mechanism nor the concept of GPTs to be given that much credit for the current wave of AI? One lucky choice (betting on scale) backed by $100Ms of other people's money does not entitle one to genius-hood.


I mean, tbf, he hasn't won a Turing yet, right? So the academy hasn't fully embraced him as a genius. VCs/SV are more fickle, but even they aren't necessarily in love -- his Superintelligence startup raised a modest but far from unusual amount of cash, AFAIR


None off he examples work on Safari iOS 18.1.1


Same here. All examples are white or black pages. All are empty except the slider, which has a non-interactive text that says ”Slide me”. iPhone 15 Pro, iOS 18.1.1.


Even the the example at svader.vercel.app/hello-world/webgl/? Testing on the Safari browsers is currently a TODO, and the library is in general still experimental when it comes to wider browser support, but I would have expected at least the standard WebGL examples to work. Does it at least display the "WebGL not supported" message?


WebGL works very well on iOS.

If in doubt try https://luduxia.com/whichwayround/ ;P


Just a white page.


Strange. I'll have to look into this.

Thanks for letting me know!


If you don’t have access to Apple devices, I find Epiphany/GNOME Web to be a pretty good proxy—it uses WebKit, unlike most things these days that use Blink. Most times, Safari issues appear in Epiphany as well. This seems to hit a TypeError in https://svader.vercel.app/_app/immutable/chunks/entry.B0k4a9... line 1, column 9932 (Xe(ht,e)), and I have no time to investigate further.


How good are the developer tools in Epiphany browser?

(I would try but I killed my laptop recently!)


They're identical to Safari, macOS theme and all.


I strangely can’t get any of the examples to work on iOS - even on chrome.


Chrome on iOS also uses WebKit as backend, as iOS restrictions don’t allow other engines. Same goes for Firefox, Brave, etc…

Edit: Actually not fully true anymore, as of iOS 17.4, you _could_ bring your own engine (https://developer.apple.com/support/alternative-browser-engi...) - with restrictions, of course.


Is it better than GPT4o? Does it have an API?


API is accessible via Vertex AI on Google Cloud in preview. I think it's also available in the consumer Gemini Chat.


Also FYI for anyone else, I can't actually see the gemini-2.0-flash-exp list in the model directory for Vertex AI in GCP Console, but passing in google/gemini-2.0-flash-exp to the vertexai Python SDK does actually work.

(you'll probably also need to increase your quotas right away, the default is only 10 requests per minute).



ChatGPT and GPT4o APIs have 128K window as well. The 32K is from the days of GPT4.


According to the pricing page, 32K context is for Plus users and 128K context is for Pro users. Not disagreeing with you, just adding context for readers that while you are explaining that the 4o API has 128K window, the 4o ChatGPT agent appears to have varying context depending on account type.


I did, to France, along with my wife, who was born in the USA where her family had immigrated from England in the 1670s (deep roots but was totally fed up with school shootings, homelessness, and poison in our food and water). Also, our 11 year old daughter, who had a very bleak or very boring future in the US. Also, our cat, who had to be vaccinated. We sold or gave away everything except for some stuff we needed to keep that is in storage. The house went on the market just before we left.

I don't wake up every day feeling mad that we're supporting a genocide and starting WW3. That whole terrible psychic load is gone. I was pushed out of a well known firm for posting on social media in support of Palestine.

Once my freedom of speech was assaulted, I had no reason to be in the U.S. I had immigrated to the US (from London/UK) in '88 and watched the U.S. get worse every passing decade.

The upside of having been in the US is the good qualities of the people who built the country and carried it on their now-tired shoulders. We still have very good friends who have no desire to leave, and we respect their choice.

But for us, it was time to move on.


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