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"Sinking the ships and then denying knowing anything about it would probably be the best course of action. That's what Russians would do, if the roles were reversed."

You mean like NATO did off the coast of Spain a year ago?


I didn't remember that case, very interesting. But yes, silently torpedoing a Russian ship transporting military technology to another hostile rogue state is exactly what NATO should be doing.

Did I miss NATO declaring war on Russia and N. Korea? Or are we OK with the Chinese silently torpedoing the next batch of military equipment to Taiwan (a rouge province under intl law)?

Your argument, taken to its limit, is might makes right. Which, fine; but we're just not that strong anymore. Certainly not the EUpeeans.


> Did I miss NATO declaring war on Russia and N. Korea?

Russia declares ware with the west every other Monday.

North Korea is at war with South Korea which is an allied country and partner.

> Or are we OK with the Chinese silently torpedoing the next batch of military equipment to Taiwan (a rouge province under intl law)?

You mean like they already destroy boats of nearby countries?

China doesn't respect International Law anyway and Taiwanese people have the right to choose their independence.


What's the point of declaring war in a war?

Russia invaded Ukraine just fine without ever declaring war.


As long as the EUpeans don't drag me, my loved ones, or my taxes into a war with Russia I couldn't care less if any this is declared or not nor do I care if they torpedo Russian ships.

However, I also couldn't care less if the Russians Oreshniks Liverpool or Marseille.


Fair enough, you do you.

Meanwhile, we'll be protecting your loved ones.


Pray, from what?

And please don't flatter yourself. Europe couldn't field an army of a 100 000 riflemen if you put all of the EU countries together.


Honestly, neither can Russia, unless you count 100 000 random men + 90 000 rusty rifles as "riflemen".

Then y'all don't need us to come over.

Well you did when you requested help for Iraq and Afghanistan so ....

You appreciate the irony that the same folks who wanted the war in Iraq, the Dick Cheneys, the Nulans, the Eastern "new" Europeans are the ones clamoring for war against Russia?

I don't care what token force of soldiers Estonia or Poland sent to Afghanistan. Poke the bear and you're on your own.


So why did you poke the bear then, by handing out cookies during the Euromaidan and starting the US-Russia proxy war that is fought in Ukraine right now?

Btw, sorry we can't help you with your little Venezuela "war" right now, we're on winter vacation; your E-mail will not be forwarded.


Well you started another military operation this morning so this might not be argument you believe it is.

You mean the boat Russia itself torpedoed?

Like they blew up their own pipeline. Right.

Look, (all) governments play the lie and deceit game; but I dont have to go along it because of some misplaced sense jingo-patriotism.


Your sources are welcome because at the moment it's looking pretty thin.

It's pretty clear that Russia torpedoes their own boat to hide their transfer of nuclear to an embargoed country, North Korea.

The same North Korea that sent people to die for Russia in Ukraine.

A nice little quid-pro-quo relationship.


Link?


All I can see there before "Este contenido es exclusivo para suscriptores" is conjecture that (translating and emphasizing) "a torpedo may have pierced the hull of the vessel". Is there any evidence?

The hull is bent inward in a manner characteristic of a torpedo.

Or of hitting a rock. What's the seabed around the ship like?

A famous example which gave rise to similar hypotheses:

https://news.err.ee/1142424/foreign-ministry-adviser-ms-esto...


That's not a bird. Thats an airplane flapping its wings.

Presumably, if you're going to bother with flying vehicles, it's to free up space on the ground below.

To fill with other uses, say pedestrians.

Taxi falls, pedestrians get crushed bellow, but now the vehicular speed isn't 20-30 mph tops, but the terminal velocity of the vehicle.

mv^2 is mean.


I think most people do care if it weren't very difficult, even illegal, to find out.

There's a famous video of a bunch of kids seeing the nasty, vile process of creating chicken nuggets in front of them. At the end of the nasty process, the chicken nuggets are made and presented in front of the kids. After asking, "Who wants chicken nuggets?" all hands go up instantly.

No, actually showing how the sausage is made does NOT stop people from wanting it. I honestly think that people like knowing how fake/cruel things are! People want the comically fake look and taste. See Mar-a-Lago face and its popularity. Hopefully AI or something can "engineer the human spirit" away from this horrible tendency.

Related, Asians seem to love to take westerners absolute worst food and act like it's okay despite being absolute "food divas" otherwise. Asians (in their own countries) will unironically eat kraft singles on their ramen and use spam everywhere, while simultaneously gloating that "they only go out to eat for food that's hard to make at home" and lamenting about how disgusting fast food is.

You won't win anything by trying to show people how gross food is. You think bugs are gross to people? Remember fear factor?


Thats was Jamie Oliver, right?

I really don't concede the point. Kids see food they aren't accustomed to eating blended together and fed to them by people they trust (Oliver is a celebrity in the UK).

What they aren't seeing is the chicken eggs they're eating was laid by a hen that was shat on by the chicken above it while sitting on a bed made of the cadaver of the chicken that held the pen before it.


To be fair, chickens can see and discriminate between insects before putting them in their mouths. Powdered insects preclude that.

Likewise, cows would never eat a carcass cow, but as hamburger mixed with a lot of grass...


> To be fair, chickens can see (insects)

Yes, they do that

> and discriminate between insects

Yeah, they do not do that.

They also eat mice, which I guess came as quite a surprise to the cat that was stalking the mouse, although not half as much as to the mouse.


Its only safer because of dilution - insects are less likely to have proteins that a prion can induce to misfolding.

But unless it is demonstrated that insect digestive systems have some magical enzyme that can do what autoclaves can't, that is break down prions, then it cannot be assumed safe.


Not direct cannibalism. It is cannibalism once removed though.

Im not allowed to donate blood in N. America because I once lived in the EU for a few years.

Why?

Because feeding cows cows wasn't proved unsafe and therefore allowed in the food chain. Then people started dying. Oopsie.

But it's OK. It better to ask for forgiveness than permission.


That restriction on blood donation due to Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease was lifted in 2022. You should go donate blood.

https://www.fda.gov/regulatory-information/search-fda-guidan...


At the time we didn't know prion disease could be transferred between species. There's no evidence that scrapie (sheep prion disease) or CWD (deer and moose prion disease) can be transmitted to other species. BSE is seemingly a unique prion disease that can affect other mammals.

Though, BSE was massively overhyped by the same epidemiologists who got COVID wrong. They said it could be a huge disaster that killed millions and in the end only fewer than two hundred people died of cjv over a period of decades. Although that's bad it's very far from being a good justification for banning everything pre-emptively.

This all assumes there's no computation beyond a Turing machine, right? Therefore, this assumes reality is a simulation on a finite set of rationals?

So, as long as one believes in continuum, this is just toying around?


We've yet to propose an experiment that demonstrates the inadequacy of IEEE floats if used carefully. The simulation only needs to be good enough.


Even if your point is conceded which I will state as: "the impairment levels are too so that unimpaired habitual pot users appear impaired"

40% of the general population is not a habitual cannabis user. So whether they are "high" or not, folks with high THc levels are dangerous.


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