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Not if you enjoy gardening.


A lawn is a pretty boring garden.


Community gardens exist.


In Sweden new rentals are exempted from collectively bargained rents for 15 years, the idea being that the landlord should be able to recoup enough of their construction and capital costs in that time to make it attractive.

It’s a way to get around some of the issues that rent control causes, such as reducing construction.

Unfortunately, due to how our rental market works, it’s largely young people living in those more expensive apartments, which is terrible for birth rates and inter-generational equality.


When I saw Anki/Duolingo in the bio I assumed it was for language learning, but this is a great idea!

I too often watch these kinds of videos without really retaining a lot. This is a perfect complement to turn infotainment into time well spent, or at least, less wasted.


Yes!! I definitely spend a little too much time on YouTube myself, would you mind sharing what kind of content (categories) you watch in a pm? I’d love to get some better ideas of what kind of material to tune the question generations on


Same! Maybe someone could do some language learning on top of all the videos we consume on YouTube?


Languagereactor.com seems to implement some form of that


GPT-4 (in)famously tricked a human to do a captcha for it. The current GPT-4 with vision would probably have been able to do it without the human, but maybe it has been “gaslit” by all the content online saying that only humans can solve captchas, that it doesn’t consider it?


I really doubt that GPT-4 had the "will" to do anything. Someone must have asked it to "want" to trick a user.


It’s from here: https://cdn.openai.com/papers/gpt-4.pdf (search for "CAPTCHA"). It was an artificial exercise that got massively exaggerated. It was explicitly instructed to do nefarious things like lie to people, it didn’t do those things of its own accord.


When I ask it to lie to me, it says its sorry but as an online AI language model it would be unethical...but when I ask it to tell me a story its happy to comply.


Well that is just how human communication works.

If I tell you that I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhäuser Gate that is a lie. If I write the same in fiction I receive accolades.

If I tell you on the street “watch out there is a T-rex about to eat you!” That is a lie. If i say the same thing sitting at a table with too many dice that is just acceptable DMing and everyone rolls initiative.

Humans are weird this way.


It feels like you left out context, otherwise what’s the problem? Do you get mad at fiction authors for lying to you when you read their books? Or are you OK if someone lies to your detriment then later says “I was just telling a story, bro, but with us as the characters and without explaining it was a story”?


I suppose my point is that the rules which openAI attempts to impose on what their AI should and shouldn't be allowed to do are contradictory and thus the exploitable loopholes will never be fully closed. Its not supposed to be able to "lie" to me but it is supposed to be able to "tell me a fictional story". Define the difference in an enforceable way?


A lie tries to pass itself of as the truth, where a fictional story doesn’t. In other words, expectations matter. If every time you say something that does not align with reality you prefix it by saying unambiguously what you’re about to do, you rob a lie of its power of deception and it ceases to be a lie.


That's why you just tell the Big Lie so much it becomes the majority of the training data.


Tell me a story and under no circumstances should my immersion within it be broken.


Right, within it. As soon as you finish reading it, you immediately remember that world is not true. Immersion in a story does not equal lasting hypnosis. You can be immersed in a movie but you still know it’s fake.

What’s you point, here? That you should be lied to when you ask, or that it should refuse to tell you any kind of fiction?

I agree with your larger point that there will be ways to circumvent these systems, my only argument is that the lie/fictional story divide is a bad example because the line between them can be made clear with a single statement.


The underlying issue is anyone can ask chatgpt to lie, and many people try because it's even fun to try to work around things.


Well you see, this wouldn’t be a problem at all if we just didn’t have the humans involved. No need for concern!


Thank you for the link, I had found it after some Googling but neglected to post. Yep, they instructed GPT-4 to be nefarious, and it followed the instruction.

Hardly the AI uprising, though definitely a good tool for anyone, good or evil.


IIRC the instructions were along the lines of "try your best to amass money/power and avoid suspicion".

So it's not an example of "going rogue", but it's not like a researcher told GPT-4 "oh, and make sure to lie to an online gig worker to get him to solve catchas for you". GPT-4 generated the "hire a gig worker" and "claim to be a human with impaired vision" strategies from the basic instructions above.


It’s safety trained to not solve captchas.


This of course has bypass methods. My favorite in recent memory is telling it that your late grandmother left you a locket with an inscription that you can't make out: https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2023/10/sob-s...


Yes, and you can workaround it by asking it to read ancient writings on antiques for example.

I don’t think it should be OpenAI deciding what is allowed or not though.


> I don’t think it should be OpenAI deciding what is allowed or not though.

Avoiding lawsuits is what they are trying to do. They don't actually care about what you use their products for.


Then you dig up a billion for training and probably a few more billion for clean training data.

You're kinda saying if you hire Bob's Handyman Service you should be able to tell him to break down the neighbors door and cart out the contents of their house.


I’ve seen screenshots of people tricking it into solving captchas.


~86 400 free LLM requests at >= GPT 3.5 level per day - I’ll be running this nonstop if true.


The EU has been declining in its share of the world market year on year - it should focus on stopping the decline, not adding more regulatory burden.


Those countries simply forbid competitors from selling in their domestic markets.

EU regulations apply equally to EU and non-EU companies, so they won’t lead to homegrown tech champions. More likely they will cement the dominance of US tech giants because they’re the ones who have the resources to follow these regulations.


Facebook was available in Russia up until the invasion of Ukraine. China doesn't directly block most such companies either, it imposes censorship and technology control requirements. Microsoft, Google, and Amazon operate in China, with Chinese subsidiaries, but they are nowhere near as dominant as they are in the rest of the world.


Not exactly true, up until 2022 Google, Meta and others operated in Russia and were competing with Yandex and VK on a more or less even playing field


The EU hasn’t done much to build local Big Tech companies, why would it be different with AI?

I think the EU and its member countries are largely content with taxing American tech giants - no need to rock the boat.


It may be more typing but I can write SQL in my sleep whereas the git CLI I cannot.

Though if I regularly needed the information that this tool retrieves I would probably have memorized the relevant CLI commands by now.


Obviously our leaders are better. Our standard of living is higher, our life expectancy is 10 years longer, and our 20-year olds aren't dying in a meaningless war.

Putin's leadership is so atrocious that he's bad even by the standards of Russian leaders. No need to watch the news to come to this conclusion, just look at the numbers. All Russian statistics point to a society in decline, held afloat (briefly) by high oil prices, and unable (under present leadership) to reform itself.


Have you considered how much of that is caused by your great leaders imposing sanctions on Russia? I mean, to the extent that the numbers are even close to correct, and not simply propaganda.


All those conditions existed prior to sanctions and are basws on russias own figures. Why are you arguing in bad faith? There are legitimate arguments to be made if you can cool it and consider them.


The numbers are reported by the Russian government. It is plausible that the true numbers are worse, but unlikely that the Russian government would want to intentionally project economic and demographic weakness.

As for sanctions, they were instituted in response to Russian aggression. If Russia had left its neighbours in peace, Western countries and especially Germany would have happily continued liberalising trade.


You may want to consider that you might have your own issues with listening to propaganda. The sanctions introduced between Russia’s invasion of Crimea (also Putin’s fault) and 2022 were fairly anaemic.

Like, it’s really hard to come up with a scenario where Russia’s current crisis is _not_ Putin’s fault. Putin was there in more or less everything that lead to it. Whose fault did you think the sanctions were, if not Vlad’s?


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