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Musk being a grifter how unexpected... Honestly he does the same thing that he has done all over his career promising people the moon but making them pay for Mars and more he did something similar with his initial employees at Tesla and their options I don’t know how people can keep trusting him is ridiculous.


Would you please stop posting flamewar comments to HN? You've done a lot of that, and it's not what this site is for.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html


I’ve heard the same about SpaceX employees being promised Tesla stock for helping them out with some Engineering challenges and then being conned out of them, and the case of (again) SpaceX engineers promised Starlink stock (it’s about to be spun off) and then conned after having pitched in to help on it.

The more I learn about how his employees are treated the more I wonder if these companies would be sustainable over the years.


> he did something similar with his initial employees at Tesla and their options

Link?


>When the electrodes are inside the brain and thus in the cranium, they are effectively protected from outside EM activity since they're in an effective Faraday cage, so your signal has much higher fidelity.

Pretty much this on a different and somehow related note I would still try to check if the algorithm does not just trick us into thinking that it is doing what the monkey wants it would be nice if they post some more in depth material of how the code or whatever they use looks at the end just to be sure we are not in front of a half machine clever hans (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clever_Hans)

TO clarify: we dont have the ability to know if the monkey made an error he wont say hey I didnt want to get that one right or win that pong movement, have your milkshake back please. And we kind of need to know that in fact when doing mathematical modeling and AI having a way to quantify that is a requirement and one of the first things they teach you about.


True, the post-processing algorithm could just be doing a randomish walk towards the answer, but I highly doubt that is what's happening. 2D cursor movement is well understood to be within the realm of possibility for EEG, so I imagine it is actually much easier with an in-vivo device. From what I understand, this is entirely supervised learning. The monkey is "telling" the device what neural pattern corresponds to moving the cursor. If I had to guess, then this chip is planted extremely close to the hippocampus, which is known to have cells that encode spatial information. The algorithm is probably doing a basic supervised learning on the cells that fire for a particular location of the cursor.

I'm just guessing on this, but the "training" session probably involved having the monkey stare at the screen for a while, while the cursor moved, which allowed the device to capture a spatial heatmap of which cells fired at which locations. There's probably some online optimization happening as the monkey then continues the "training" process by completing the task. Overall, this task is completely doable with the current technology, so I would not assume any foul play here. If the monkey was writing Shakespeare, I would definitely doubt it.


the chip is implanted in the motor cortex, I believe, so the training consisted of rewarding the monkey for moving the cursor to a target.

After the monkey has played the game a bunch, you can correlate the neuron firings generating motor signals to the arm with the motion of the cursor on the screen. Later, the monkey's arm need not actually move the joystick.

The hippocampus is pretty deep in the brain, and the Neuralink surgery can't go deeper than a centimeter or two.


How would it know which direction to move in if the position of the goal was not part of the input to whatever control algorithm they're using? The part of the code that detects the overlap of the cursor and the goal should be completely separate from the part that is translating the implant inputs into x,y movement so I don't see how it could be driven by anything other than input from the monkey.


>and decided to stop the war against their users The thing is that the question is who are their actual users? Truth is just that we arent the actual users, by we I mean the tech savvy crowd we are a minorityand form what I have seen the majority of the users of notion are happier with they way it has evolved, and at the end of the day notion and places like it are going to follow that, I dont like it but this is usually what the war against their "users" is a byproduct of.


Every single day I see my wife and relatives struggle with modern computing. Not to say that previously it was much better, but web applications are increasingly different between each other in the way they work. They are not tech savvy, but are bitten in the ass by everything that computers have to offer, especially web pages. I am angry, because I know how it can all work better or see bunch of bugs in almost anything I use, but I can form quite easily workarounds, they can't.


Well you have h my vote ( and my axe)



Everyday more and more it seems like vice has become for Disney what fox is for Murdoch honestly to say that this is misleading an unscientific could be an understatement if there is a place whose links we should ban it is definitely vice


It seems as if google or is eh moles are monitoring this site because it is not the first time a reasonable anti google comments gets treated like this with no replies explaining why


Bear in mind, that many subconsciously are unhappy with their workplace's policies and effects on the world, but at the same time have linked their personal esteem and identity with work.

By threatening their self esteem, their very identity, by validating what the know deep inside them, that they work to do evil, without wanting to, they must strongly reject/defy such claims to reassert and restore their veiled view of themselves.


“It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.”


Even if socia Kali am h happens then the employees pass to own the company thus they would have more of an incentive to act like this blaming this on capitalism seems like a baseless claim in this specific situation


That quote isn’t specific to capitalism and would apply to any economic system where people have salaries.


Kay, stand corrected then. Edited the first line and left only the quote.


If progress is Karen calling minorities and the original residents “toxic males” for enjoying life and community then call me a reactionary, perhaps Trump should have built the wall around the bay area


LIKE LOOK AT THIS https://twitter.com/sarahmei/status/994010501460865025?ref_s... please lets stop giving a platform to this fake mentally ill people that are at best cointelpro like figures made to destroy free software


>All bugs in windows have been fixed What? Also Microsoft has brought us open software and open source things in as much as it lets it: Win over the competition Let things be open enough for its ecosystem to prosper but not enough for open software to proliferate as much as it could have They just did not do that as a kind gesture out of their heart or because Bill is a nice guy who loves you but precisely to shut lawsuits, simulate competition and to make a profit so please don’t be so naive.


Don't feed the troll.


It's not trolling, it's sarcasm, although with the crippling inability of far too many HN posters to recognize sarcasm, even when its glaringly obvious, I understand why someone might think it's trolling.


It looks suspiciously like an Adequacy.org Style Troll (AST).


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