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TCP layer of your IP stack does re-ordering and presents them to the client in order. UDP layer doesn't. So by acking every packet, TCP layer will still present what it DOES receive in order.


Right, but UDP also presents what it receives in order - so what's the advantage of forcing TCP to behave this way? I struggle to think of a practical use case where either a) UDP or another protocol wouldn't be selected [e.g. in a VoIP system] in the design phase b) using TCP in this non-standards compliant way would be nothing more than a short-term bandaid because of other constraints (e.g. can't change Layer 4 to something non-TCP).


Absolutely not. UDP delivers packets as received.

Don't underestimate how often packets are received out of order. There's even a consumer DSL modem that swaps every odd UDP packet with every even one - I had to compensate for this in a VOIP product. Using TCP in this bastardized way would cure that. That said, I tend to agree its a poor idea to use TCP in this way. The famous book on IP used to list 8 protocol possibilities (only 2 commonly survive today, UDP and TCP) of which streaming and packet reordering was a valid combination (without acking/retransmitting). Don't know what it was called, but that's what being attempted here.


I think we’re operating on different definitions of in-order and as received. TCP delivers packets in order, but perhaps not as received, if it had to request retransmission of a dropped packet. UDP delivers packets in order that they were received. Doing what the article suggests would make TCP also deliver packets in the order that they were received. No?


TCP won't nack a packet when one is perceived as 'missed' (but really out-of-order); that's clear from the premise (ack everything).

But reordering also happens simply by examining received packets in a burst, and putting them right.

So its six of one and a half-dozen of the other I guess. Sorry for coming off so abrupt.


No problem, thanks for clarifying! So basically the benefit to the TCP NACK approach is that the TCP layer will also do a sort on the packets received?


Yeah, which is imperfect but there you are. It means sometimes out-of-order packets will be reordered, and sometimes dropped (since TCP acked it, the (existing) TCP code will discard the out-of-order packet as 'duplicate'. Which turns out works pretty well in practice, since out-of-order are almost always in a burst (no delay inter-packet)




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