I'm not sure I understand the argument of the article. Yes my graduate classes have many Chinese students in them, but why exactly is it bad that they are furthering their education and doing research in the US? The biggest issue I see is that many of them want to live and work in the US after graduation, but basically have to leave it up to luck in the visa lottery system.
The FBI is not warning about students, but about government agents posing ad students, I.E. "operatives".
Here, they have access to learn and potentially influence our culture from within. Most importantly, if the FBI is correct and they exist, they most likely do not have your interests in mind.
That said, I don't know how one would deal with this without causing McCarthy style hysteria and sweeping up innocent students along with operatives.
> The FBI is not warning about students, but about government agents posing ad students, I.E. "operatives".
What is the distinction here?
I do not generally expect international students on a student visa, with no intention of becoming citizens, to forget about the interests of their home country and prioritize the interests of the country they're visiting. They're here because the school is good, that's it.
You dont think that Chinese espionage does not potentially extend to our colleges? You dont think the U.S. is doing at least as much elsewhere? All this talk of collusion with Russia recently doesn't bother you either if it is true that a foreign power could have targeted our culture successfully to the point that they threw an election in their favor?
Such sentiment would be naive. Particularly in an authoritarian nation swarming with propaganda. There are plenty of children potentially willing to dedicate themselves to the interests of the party, whether for perceived virtue, or fear of retribution.
You dont think that Chinese espionage does not potentially extend to our colleges?
Well, no, I'm not sure what "espionage" would mean here? Does it mean stealing information? Doubtful. Unionizing graduate students? Hard to believe. Thwarting the education of others? Haven't seen it. While the Chinese may be placing people into positions at American universities with the idea that they might one day be useful, I'm not sure what would could as espionage. If anything I'd guess the "operatives" would mostly be keeping track of the activities of other Chinese students, and possibly serving as conduits for more covert operatives, but I'm doubtful they are doing anything that would legally qualify as espionage.
You dont think the U.S. is doing at least as much elsewhere?
You'd have to be clearer about what the "as much" is, but I'm doubtful the US is putting much effort into putting operatives into academic positions abroad. Probably they want to open channels of communication with people who are already there, but I'm doubtful we're doing anything particularly effective involving "fake" students. And again, what would the goal of this be?
All this talk of collusion with Russia recently doesn't bother you
Seems worth investigating, but no, nothing I've heard so far bothers me. There are lots of countries that have great interest in affecting/effecting US policies, and I'd presume that Russia would be one of them. I'm doubtful they were particularly effective in influencing an election, though, or even that they were the country with the greatest influence. This is the place where I assume the US is doing much more with regard to other country's elections, possibly with greater impact.
Particularly in an authoritarian nation swarming with propaganda.
I don't know your politics well enough to know if you mean China, Russia, or the US here? If you point is that there likely exist Chinese students who are willing to do what the Chinese government asks them in return for being allowed to study abroad, then sure. But I'd guess that most of what is being asked is "Learn everything they will teach you and then come home and build a better China", and I think that's a good thing?
If you had a long term plan to destabilize a nation, and wanted to understand how best to do it, don't you think it would be useful to send seemingly innocent students to gather intelligence in political hotbeds like universities?
After all, these students are future leaders. Understanding how to manipulate them or weaken them and their futures, or how to sow divisiveness amongst them or other Americans...
Wouldn't such information make it easier to at least, say, pose plausibly as influential "trolls" with relevant cultural content on the internet?
Just as in software, one doesn't necessarily need to anticipate a specific threat to recognize attack surface.
And as with software, sometimes part of the intended purpose of the software inherently exposes you to threats, and saying "Shut down the threat" means shutting down the software. The easiest way to prevent people from defacing Wikipedia is to make it not a wiki. The easiest way to keep your computer secure is to unplug it from the network.
Having foreign students attend our colleges is something that we have long recognized is good for our country and for the world. Obviously it's an attack surface too, in the same way that Wikipedia's "edit" button is an attack surface. But if we want to actually maintain the policies and goals that led us to deciding that we want foreign students to attend our colleges, we need to be clear about why these particular foreign students are different.
Yes to all of these, but this is just cherry picking the negatives. On the flip side, if you want to make positive changes, you also need the same knowledge. And if one believes that the Chinese students are brainwashed by their government, what better opportunity to teach them "the truth" than by hosting them in America for a few years?
Using the software analogy, it's like the observation that the only computer that's "safe" from internet hackers is one that not connected to the the internet (and ideally turned off). While (mostly) true, it's not a particularly useful observation unless one is willing to forgo all the positive aspects of connectivity.
one doesn't necessarily need to anticipate a specific threat to recognize attack surface.
I'd agree that it's worth identifying the vulnerability, but I think that to be useful the emphasis would need to be on the differential of the potential threat versus expected benefit. I guess I believe enough in the general positives of education that in the absence of specifics I'm willing to bet that educating Chinese students is a net gain for the world.
The talk of collusion with Russia centers on actual politicians actually bribed by Russia. If we can't distinguish between Russian oligarchs bribing politicians and Russian students attending colleges, and our culture is so fragile that the presence of foreigners engaged in political discussions can destabilize it, maybe we shouldn't allow any foreign students to enroll at all.
(Personally, the fact that foreign students can and do enroll in US universities is part of our culture.)
They care about cultural values. If you've been raised your whole life to believe that every good thing in your life is because you live under your current political system, your self-interest and interest in your family will manifest as a desire to uphold that political system.
>Here, they have access to learn and potentially influence our culture from within.
You say that as if it is some nefarious goal, when it is almost always the goal for all international student groups: Promoting their culture. It's not a hidden agenda - it is usually explicit.
As others have pointed out, for all the warnings, the article doesn't point out anything particularly bad that these groups on campus do.
What is the threat though? Aren't most university research programs very open and don't they publish everything they can get published? I understand the part about not wanting spies working for telecom companies (for example) because they could mess with our infrastructure. What's the issue with being inside a university?
It's been interesting observing that sentiment myself of Chinese friends that immigrate and integrate into the tech sectors of the US. Very much makes me think about the training data culled up to create the rogue chatbots that made the news last year: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2017/08/03/rogue-chatb...
Huh? This article is talking about an FBI determination that China has installed operatives within US universities, not that all Chinese at US universities are operatives.