First I am not defending big rich companies. If anything I am complaining the government is not doing enough in the right direction to improve the proportion of Americans in tech jobs.
Every H1B petition from American companies is precisely saying the same thing: they need that worker to run the company effectively and they had no other choice.
I suppose each count of the petition ever made is legally binding. Should this be another such anti-trust lawsuit you mentioned, it will be very big! I don't think they are joking this time.
Those H1B workers contributing to the state of the art technology are not replaceable anyway practically should the US want to innovate within its jurisdiction. Companies hiring for these positions are not declaring a ceiling on the number of positions, at least to pubic.. so anyone qualifying their interview gets the job, to large extent if not all the time. But fewer Americans study STEM or apply to those jobs meeting prerequisites. These companies consistently publish in media that they have shortage.. and the H1B petitions point they had no other choice.
Those H1B workers in IT consulting earning somewhat lower wages are easier to replace but still practically hard. Their petitions tell the same story: they had no other choice.
The right policy framework I believe could work is first making the foundation stronger:
- Heavily subsidize university STEM tuition for Americans next 5-10 years.
- Encourage them to pursue STEM in school. There is no way one focuses on English literature in high school and shows interest in engineering at university.
Then there might be enough talent pool that creates local companies and give strong competition to Indian IT companies.
How many home-grown IT companies are there in the US? What's their size and valuation? The pipeline must be fixed from the beginning.. not just at the end.
With enough local sellers could the competition from outside gets weakened.
It's impossible to "compete" with countries with far weaker currencies, you can't refute that, there is no competing.
First, you are absolutely taking the side of large companies, there's no refuting that even if you say it a hundred times.
Second, of course the companies say they need it, that's the only way they can get the visas. But it's not true.
Third, let incentives do the work. Banning H1B immediately would open hundreds of thousands high paying jobs in the US. No need to subsidize and add distortion to distortion, the jobs would be filled as demand would increase.
Fourth, very very few H1B are contributing to "state of the art" anything, the vast majority are taking the exact types of jobs that your entry level college graduate could take. And if they contributing to state of the art, then raising the H1B pay to be more fair is exactly the reform needed to pay them properly and ensure we aren't replacing slightly higher paying and equally capable workers.
No one is master of everything. Economies with weaker currencies by no means have upper hand on every trade. Like the example I gave before: corn exports. Economies could be subsidized by regular interventions like how China blocks international companies competition in its local market, devaluating currency to make their products cheaper on global marketplaces. Such a market is far from "free market". Right now for those reasons they are embroiled in a trade war!
> First, you are absolutely taking the side of ..
I can't help you see fine distinction.
> Second, of course the companies say they need it
Can you please point me to one source where that says majority STEM students are Americans? Let's just get the percentages and see whether they are high enough for unemployment to so high that needs immediate short-term intervention.
I have not come across one respectable peer-reviewed publication that actually argues that position. Are you really saying the companies are discriminating job applications by country against favoring Americans?
> Third, let incentives do the work.
No they don't! LOL.
> Fourth, very very few H1B are contributing to "state of the art" anything,
I don't know what you consider state of the art. But take any STEM peer-reviewed research conference or journal and scan through the number of Americans publishing as first author in comparison to others. I know the numbers but since you are not convinced, I suggest you do the homework.
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The current administration is like -- We didn't solve the problem, but let's just move pieces here and there in a broken system to make our voters feel good. We need votes in 3 months.. probably the right time to register illusions in their minds.
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I don't think you fully appreciate the complexity of entanglements in international relations. How they effect science and technology markets.
Your arguments are weak and it’s obvious you’re losing steam here. Having to appeal to complexity when you’ve failed to explain anything complex at all.
Americans publish a ton of top stem stuff what are you on? We dominate high end stem research, especially hard sciences, drug research, advanced medical research. Also number of publications != quality.
Number of top peer-reviewed conference publications is the closest reasonable indicator of state of the art. I didn't make this up, the community did. Yeah, let's see some numbers in STEM - stack up the university departments and see the numbers.
Obviously I am aware what I don't know and not shy to hide from you. What is funny is you are confident of something you don't know.. and conveniently ignore the statements that require looking at hard numbers.
Well, feel free to provide the data, you’ve failed to so far.
Almost all H1B are working in IT/CS and not publishing, 95%+ of the stats I posted would not be H1B, maybe even more. Only a tiny fraction go into other sciences and even less of those publish.
This is well established, the vast majority of H1B are not doing research at all but working at big tech companies and IT mills. Your points don’t stand, not even close.
Every H1B petition from American companies is precisely saying the same thing: they need that worker to run the company effectively and they had no other choice.
I suppose each count of the petition ever made is legally binding. Should this be another such anti-trust lawsuit you mentioned, it will be very big! I don't think they are joking this time.
Those H1B workers contributing to the state of the art technology are not replaceable anyway practically should the US want to innovate within its jurisdiction. Companies hiring for these positions are not declaring a ceiling on the number of positions, at least to pubic.. so anyone qualifying their interview gets the job, to large extent if not all the time. But fewer Americans study STEM or apply to those jobs meeting prerequisites. These companies consistently publish in media that they have shortage.. and the H1B petitions point they had no other choice.
Those H1B workers in IT consulting earning somewhat lower wages are easier to replace but still practically hard. Their petitions tell the same story: they had no other choice.
The right policy framework I believe could work is first making the foundation stronger:
- Heavily subsidize university STEM tuition for Americans next 5-10 years.
- Encourage them to pursue STEM in school. There is no way one focuses on English literature in high school and shows interest in engineering at university.
Then there might be enough talent pool that creates local companies and give strong competition to Indian IT companies.
How many home-grown IT companies are there in the US? What's their size and valuation? The pipeline must be fixed from the beginning.. not just at the end.
With enough local sellers could the competition from outside gets weakened.