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One of my all time favorites. Can’t remember where I first read it (Quora?), but it’s currently my top Google hit for “balloon programmer project manager joke”. [0]

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A man is flying in a hot air balloon and realizes he is lost. He reduces height and spots a man down below. He lowers the balloon further and shouts:

"Excuse me, can you help me? I promised my friend. I would meet him half an hour ago, but I don't know where I am."

The man below says, "Yes, you are in a hot air balloon, hovering approximately 30 feet above this field. You are between 40 and 42 degrees North latitude, and between 58 and 60 degrees West longitude."

"You must be a programmer," says the balloonist.

"I am," replies the man. "How did you know?"

"Well," says the balloonist, "everything you have told me is technically correct, but I have no idea what to make of your information, and the fact is I am still lost."

The man below says, "You must be a project manager"

"I am," replies the balloonist, "but how did you know?"

"Well," says the man, "you don't know where you are or where you are going. You have made a promise which you have no idea how to keep, and you expect me to solve your problem. The fact is you are in the exact same position you were in before we met, but now it is somehow my fault."

[0] https://www.reddit.com/r/ProgrammerHumor/comments/2rn8qx/i_h...



A similar joke I heard recently:

A helicopter was flying around above Seattle when an electrical malfunction disabled all of the aircraft's electronic navigation and communications equipment.

Due to the clouds and haze, the pilot could not determine the helicopter's position and course to fly to the airport.

The pilot saw a tall building, flew toward it, circled, drew a handwritten sign, and held it in the helicopter's window. The pilot's sign said "WHERE AM I?" in large letters.

People in the tall building quickly responded to the aircraft, drew a large sign and held it in a building window.

Their sign read: "YOU ARE IN A HELICOPTER."

The pilot smiled, waved, looked at her map, determined the course to steer to SEATAC airport, and landed safely.

After they were on the ground, one of the passengers asked the pilot how the "YOU ARE IN A HELICOPTER" sign helped determine their position.

The pilot responded "I knew that had to be the Microsoft building because, the response they gave me was technically correct, but completely useless."


A helicopter was flying around above Seattle...malfunction disabled... aircraft's electronic navigation and communications equipment...

....The pilot saw a tall building, flew toward it, circled, drew a handwritten sign, and held it in the helicopter's window. The pilot's sign said "WHERE AM I?" in large letters.

People in the tall building quickly responded to the aircraft, drew a large sign and held it in a building window.

The Sign was a stylized picture of the helicopter they were in, with a BIG red arrow pointing towards the pilot's window where a small cartoon pilot held up a sign saying 'WHERE AM I" in a hand-rendered Helvetica font.

The pilot smiled...yadda yadda yadda..

After they were on the ground, one of the passengers asked...

The Pilot responded "Tableau Software"


I have to note that this pilot is always getting into technical problems, and seems to know all the software companies in Seattle and how they are likely to respond - conclusion - the helicopter pilot is a project manager.


This joke must have been written by a journalist who's never been to Microsoft and doesn't bother to fact check their work, since the Microsoft campus is in Redmond and the tallest buildings there are only six stories high.


Well, I can at least tell for sure that I’m on Hacker News, now. :)


That's technically correct, but ultimately useless, information


All information is useless until it's useful


Or they didn't think it mattered if the facts are correct because it is a joke.


You must be a programmer.


Thanks, that was annoying me.


I believe the original form of this joke goes like this:

Lost man in a balloon yells down at a man on the ground “Where am I?”

The man on the ground responds, “You’re in a balloon”

The man in the balloon says “You must be a mathematician”.

“Why?” asks the man on the ground.

“Because your answer is absolutely right and absolutely useless”


The joke above is a play on the older joke you told.


O the irony of down votes on a meta joke


That's funny!


But then that becomes a paradox because the fact that the statement is useless makes it useful.


Dave's Garage has some good stories!


That’s where I heard it :)


I sent this to a project manager once, and they didnt understand nor appreciate it.


They must be a project manager.


I, perhaps appropriately, improperly calculated their threshold for humor.


No, he did't deliver the joke fast enough.


And neither did he create a jira story for delivering the joke in the sprint!!!


Project managers wouldn't read the story anyway, they cough up the headline and maybe a few lines of text and expect the team to fill in the blanks during multiple refinement meetings.


Adding another layer of indirection:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25866318


This is the comment that made me laugh, well done!


I’m a project manager and find it hilarious! But i’ve also been technical.


So you are not "project manager", but "competent project manager", which is something completely different :)


I’ve never met one of them in the wild. A rare thing indeed.


They're actually more common than engineers with understanding of project management or the concerns that they quite reasonably have. And they're way more valuable than a zug-zug eng.

I say this as a pure engineer who has been a lead many times but never a PM.


I bet a product manager would be more kind


A man is flying in a hot air balloon and realizes he is lost. He reduces height and spots a man down below. He lowers the balloon further and shouts:

"Excuse me, can you help me? I promised my friend. I would meet him half an hour ago, but I don't know where I am.

The man below produces a small object the shape of a teardrop colored a pleasing grayish blue that he proceeds to hold above his head in an inverted manner and then with a courtly, elegant bow indicates the ground the bottom of the teardrop is pointing at.

The man in the balloon flies off again, exclaiming under his breath "damn designers"


"And you got there by a bunch of hot air."


As much as I like the joke and of course understand the analogy, I don't see how, from this conversation, the programmer comes to the conclusion that he has to solve the managers problem. The manager just asked, the programmer gave a technical correct answer and the manager replied that it doesn't help him. But at no point was the programmer expected to solve the managers problem nor has he blamed him so that it's "his fault".


I think it plays around a common case of a manager saving their ass in front of superiors by shouldering the blame on an unsuspicious employee (“what were you doing all these months, what’s the state of the project, and how are you planning to deliver?”). With time the latter becomes experienced enough to not take the blame, and detects these attempts easily, because it is always happen to be “their” fault.

(Sorry if that was obvious and you meant something else.)


PM gave a jerk response denigrating the programmers attempt to help.


Thats a rehash of an old joke:

I know it soviet style:

A mathematician, a physicist and a biologist are flying in a air balloon and are lost.

They encounter a man walking below:

The biologist asks him: "do you know, where we are?"

"..." the man looks up and says nothing

The physicist ask him: "can you please tell us, where we are!"

"..." after a while the man says: "in a balloon".

The mathematician remarks, ah, he must be a philosopher. The others: "how do you know?"

"Well, for once he needed a lot of time to answer. Then his answer is correct with our objective reality. And lastly, his answer is completely useless to us."

(in eastern soviet republics, philosophy was not in high regards, because the peoples governments were supposed to be philosophical (a la Marx) government, with in theory, very high standards)


I'm reminded of a joke I heard from a talk by the philosopher Dan Dennett:

A philosopher takes his friend to a magic show. After the usual business of vanishing a few small mammals, the magician's assistant lies in a magic box, and the magician, with a dramatic flair, begins to saw through the box.

The philosopher's friend leans over and asks What do you think is really going on? The philosopher gives it a moment's thought and replies They're using illusionist skills to give us the impression that he's sawing someone in two, but really he isn't. The philosopher's friend, unsatisfied, asks Right, but how? The philosopher shrugs dismissively, That's really not my department.


A. Good joke.

B. I hate how applicable this joke is to my life. Except I'm the friend asking, then has to figure all the shit out because all the people around me with degrees cant tell the difference between their ass and a hole in the ground.


A Soviet engineer needs some plumbing done in his apartment, and calls for a plumber. The plumber arrives, does his thing, and hands over the bill.

The engineer is shocked. -'What, this is like a quarter of what I make in a month - for half an hour's work???'

Plumber shrugs. -'Well, why don't you come join us? Easy work, well paid, no responsibility - just remember to keep mum about your degree, as we're not supposed to hire academics.'

Our engineer contemplates this for a while, applies for a job as a plumber - and gets it.

All is well, good money, no responsibilites - until management requires that they take evening school classes to gain new skills and thus better build socialism. So, grudgingly, our engineer enrolls in a math class and, upon arriving, finds that the teacher wants to establish what the plumbers already know.

-'You over there - could you please come to the blackboard and show us the formula for the area of a circle?' he asks our engineer.

Standing at the blackboard, he suddenly realizes he can't for the life of him remember the formula; while a bit rusty, he soon figures out how to reason it out - furiously writing out integrals on the blackboard, only to find the area of a circle is -(pi)*r^2.

Minus? How did a negative enter into it, he thinks, going over his calculations once again. No, still gets the same result. Sweat building, he turns away from the blackboard for a moment, turning to the other plumbers watching.

As in one voice, they all whisper -'Comrade, you must switch the limits to the integral!'


American version from below:

The "you learn limits in like, 9th grade" comment reminds me of this one:

Two mathematicians are in a bar. The first one says to the second that the average person knows very little about basic mathematics. The second one disagrees, and claims that most people can cope with a reasonable amount of math. The first mathematician goes off to the washroom, and in his absence the second calls over the waitress. He tells her that in a few minutes, after his friend has returned, he will call her over and ask her a question. All she has to do is answer one third x cubed.

She repeats "one thir -- dex cue"?

He repeats "one third x cubed".

She says, "one thir dex cuebd"?

Yes, that's right, he says. So she agrees, and goes off mumbling to herself, "one thir dex cuebd...".

The first guy returns and the second proposes a bet to prove his point, that most people do know something about basic math. He says he will ask the blonde waitress an integral, and the first laughingly agrees. The second man calls over the waitress and asks "what is the integral of x squared?".

The waitress says "one third x cubed" and while walking away, turns back and says over her shoulder "plus a constant!"


I've heard a variation of that were the professor is at a bar with a couple of visiting professors. He tells them, in this town pretty much everyone is smart and he proves it by asking the waitress. (The rest of the joke is the same.)


I think the integral is

        4 * integrate sqrt(r^2 - x^2) w.r.t. x from x=0 to x=r
which is from the equation of circle with radius r centered at the origin:

        x^2 + y^2 = r^2
        => y = sqrt(r^2 - x^2)
any other way achieve the same using integration?


You can arrive at the same by slicing in nearly any manner you wish: vertical dx strips, horizontal dy strips, radial dtheta strips, concentric rings treated as rectangles, diagonal strips, literally anything you wish.

If you've never set up and worked a few, try the dx version and the dy version, then maybe fiddle with a few others. They all work.

The concentric rings one is trivial to work out. Integrate over r from 0 to R. Each ring at radius r has thickness dr, and has length 2 pi r, treated simply as a rectangle, which is "close enough" since each is arbitrarily thin. Then the integral is

int_0^R 2 pi r dr = 2pi r^2/2 from 0 to R = pi R^2.

A really pretty one cuts the circle into wedges, then rearranges them by alternating direction to make a "rectangle" approx r high, approx pi * r wide, with bumpy top and bottom. In the limit this has area pi * r * r, and can be shown to kids without needing calculus.

And it's not magic or circular, since pi is defined (in this case...) as the ratio of circumference to diameter.


\int_0^2π{(1/2)r^2dθ}

Value inside the integral is area of thin triangle of height r and base rdθ.


I don't quite get the punchline. I understand how if you integrate in the wrong direction you get a negative area, but is there a double meaning here?


I believe the implication is that all the plumbers are advanced degree holders, not just the engineer.


-The idea is that all the plumbers are academics looking for the easy life. :)


The limits are the shackles of oppression, the integral is the proletariat and switching is disavowing capitalism and seizing the means of production.


That was completely unhelpful but also hilarious.

As such, a perfect russian joke.


Thank you, that's what I was going for!


I shall never look at calculus the same way again. :) Thank you, comrade!


Brilliant !


Too many levels of indirection.



They're all former academics/mathematicians!


They are all engineers in disguise.


I think I had already heard that one from a math teacher


Caught me off-guard :D


Could change it like that:

A mathematician, a physicist and a biologist are flying in a air balloon and are lost.

They encounter a man walking below:

The biologist asks him: "do you know, where we are?"

"..." the man looks up and says nothing

The physicist ask him: "can you please tell us, where we are!"

"..." after a while the man says: "yes".

The mathematician remarks, ah, he must be a logician. The others: "how do you know?"

"Well, for once he needed a lot of time to answer. Then his answer is logically correct. And lastly, his answer is completely useless to us."


I heard this one but it's a mathematician and a physicist in the balloon, and the physicist says the person must be a mathematician. As told by a math professor...


It sounds like they're in the middle of the Atlantic? Have I got it wrong, I must have because the programmer is supposed to be standing in a field.

Wait - are they dead and in heaven!?!


You must be a programmer. Those who actually checks the requirements.


Sounds more like a pedantic QA


Maybe a bug in a joke, perhaps the coordinates need fixing.


This would never have happened if the joke had been made by one of those 10X Comedians.


I think without actually getting into the 10x debate regarding engineers, we can all agree that there are definitely 10x comedians.


Analogous to programming, the average joke-teller just isn’t that funny, making 10x more achievable.

“Think of a comedian.” There probably isn’t a 10x that comedian for you.

“Find the first person to tell you a joke live next week; considering them as a proxy for average, there is almost surely a 10x comedian out there.”


There probably isn’t a 10x that comedian for you.

To me the difference in 'funniness' between a random standup special (even one that is 'good' enough to get a distribution deal) and for example some of Eddie Izzard's best is easily 1000x.

But of course my least favorite stand up special is also literally the funniest thing someone else has ever seen. So maybe it washed out in aggregate.


Kevin Hart, Sarah Silverman, Bert Kreischer - 1x

Tom Segura, Ali Wong, Nikki Glaser, Bill Burr, Mark Normand, Andrew Santino - 5x

Dave Chappelle, John Mulaney, Louis CK - 10x


Which was the first comedian you named in response to the question? Was it Kevin, Sarah, or Bert?

My hypothesis is there’s a massive spread in performance in comics, in programmers, and in most fields that are substantially creative and when people argue “there is no 10x <foo>” that it’s more like because their reference frame is higher than mine.


- Milton Jones

- James Acaster


The programmer is messing with the PM.


I think maybe the programmer has forgotten to replace the mock data with a real data feed and he tells everyone who asks the same incorrect latitude and longitude no matter where they are.


Just for fun I checked where that position would be on world map. Turns out it's in the Atlantic, quite a bit off the east coast of the US.


I also enjoy a similar one where instead of the programmer stands a statistician and instead of project manager a principal investigator. Source: https://stats.stackexchange.com/a/12745


Meanwhile, no effort is made on either side to make progress. It is not a joke about software programmer or project manager, it is about self-centered irresponsible people.




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