> I wonder if all the Go love here is from people who never worked in earnest with Java ? Or only worked with dynamic languages before?
This is the type of non-constructive statement I’m used to seeing on programming forums elsewhere on the Internet. The thing is, it’s just dismissive and irritating. All it says is, “I don’t understand why this thing is popular. Could it be that all of the proponents are simply inexperienced and don’t know any better?” — of course it’s possible, the same way that it’s possible that everyone who says my cooking is terrible just has bad taste and doesn’t understand good cuisine.
It could just be that your experience of Go was not very complete. There are certainly sore spots in Go. Maybe gopls was broken when you tried (I just tested and VSCode Go is faster than Goland on my machine, so I actually suspect something was wrong.) Maybe you picked use cases that it was just not very good for, or possibly you missed some of its utility in the time that you used it. There’s no way for me to know. I’m sure you have enough Java experience to see how someone fiddling with Maven, Eclipse, Spring, Hibernate, Guice... and running into problems could spoil them on the language or its ecosystem early on.
And yet, what disappoints me more is that when I saw this comment, it was the second highest on the page. Meaning the statement seems to have resonated rather than raising red flags.
I kind of get it. Go is one of the trendiest languages to hate now. I would guess it is in third behind Perl and PHP. Don’t get me wrong — many people unfairly hated Java too, but let’s face it, it hasn’t been trendy to baselessly hate Java in a long time. Especially not with how much it has changed and improved. I still don’t like that people do this. It feels like on at minimum a weekly basis I get chastised or see others get chastised for expressing our satisfaction with Go. Thankfully it is uncommon here, but in other online programming circles it is common enough.
Imagine you’re a beginner who is learning Go as a first programming language and they read your message. What message is it really sending?
Perhaps you did not mean for this to come off this way, but to me this is the language of condescension.
What disappoints me upon seeing your comment is that someone chose to write nearly 400 words to complain about how irritating the parent's one-question was without answering the said question in the slightest.
> of course it’s possible, the same way that it’s possible that everyone who says my cooking is terrible just has bad taste and doesn’t understand good cuisine.
I could’ve answered anecdotally about my experience with Java, thus proving or at least claiming at least one person has earnestly used Java and still likes Go. I have no idea what value that could bring to this discussion. Does anyone actually believe there is a possibility that not even a small amount of users of Go, the ~14th most popular language according to TIOBE, have not used in earnest the ~2nd most popular language according to TIOBE?
I dislike the question. I repeat my own question and now ask you to answer it:
> Imagine you’re a beginner who is learning Go as a first programming language and they read your message. What message is it really sending?
>I could’ve answered anecdotally about my experience with Java, thus proving or at least claiming at least one person has earnestly used Java and still likes Go. I have no idea what value that could bring to this discussion.
The value would be highlighting the upsides of using Go for people who're comfortable with Java, in spite of the disadvantages mentioned in the parent comment.
That information is valuable to people considering picking up their Nth language.
What value does the comment that you ended up writing add to the discussion?
>I dislike the question. I repeat my own question and now ask you to answer it
I dislike the question. I repeat my own question and now ask you to answer it:
What value does the comment that you ended up writing add to the discussion?
Sorry, I didn’t mean to come off condescending at all, it was a genuine question! At the end of the day, these are all just tools and people have their preferences. I try not to get too attached to any of them personally.
Also, if it wasn’t clear I was addressing programmers with experience in more than 1 language, not absolute beginners. If someone who is learning Go as their first language, I wholeheartedly endorse learning it! (Although Python would be better :-))
Well, I apologize for taking it the wrong way. I hope that others who agreed with you read it the way it was intended and not the way that I did. I still think the answer to the question is a bit obvious; plenty of Go devs used Java before Go. That said, I would guess that most people who have migrated away from Java did so before it became more modernized.
This is the type of non-constructive statement I’m used to seeing on programming forums elsewhere on the Internet. The thing is, it’s just dismissive and irritating. All it says is, “I don’t understand why this thing is popular. Could it be that all of the proponents are simply inexperienced and don’t know any better?” — of course it’s possible, the same way that it’s possible that everyone who says my cooking is terrible just has bad taste and doesn’t understand good cuisine.
It could just be that your experience of Go was not very complete. There are certainly sore spots in Go. Maybe gopls was broken when you tried (I just tested and VSCode Go is faster than Goland on my machine, so I actually suspect something was wrong.) Maybe you picked use cases that it was just not very good for, or possibly you missed some of its utility in the time that you used it. There’s no way for me to know. I’m sure you have enough Java experience to see how someone fiddling with Maven, Eclipse, Spring, Hibernate, Guice... and running into problems could spoil them on the language or its ecosystem early on.
And yet, what disappoints me more is that when I saw this comment, it was the second highest on the page. Meaning the statement seems to have resonated rather than raising red flags.
I kind of get it. Go is one of the trendiest languages to hate now. I would guess it is in third behind Perl and PHP. Don’t get me wrong — many people unfairly hated Java too, but let’s face it, it hasn’t been trendy to baselessly hate Java in a long time. Especially not with how much it has changed and improved. I still don’t like that people do this. It feels like on at minimum a weekly basis I get chastised or see others get chastised for expressing our satisfaction with Go. Thankfully it is uncommon here, but in other online programming circles it is common enough.
Imagine you’re a beginner who is learning Go as a first programming language and they read your message. What message is it really sending?
Perhaps you did not mean for this to come off this way, but to me this is the language of condescension.