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There are examples of men who want women to be chained to the kitchen; we should consider the reasonable views though, and not throw the baby out with the bath water. Ignore the fringe elements, even though that’s the thing that the media and social algorithms push since they’re the most “engaging”. They are the small minority.


> There are examples of men who want women to be chained to the kitchen;

If you ask a representative sample of men most will disagree strongly and loudly.

If however you ask feminists to distance themselves from the extremists you'll probably find a completely different answer.

I have no papers to show but I have been watching the debate from the sidelines:

Even something as simple as getting feminists to condemn "kill all men" is hard.


> probably

Your whole argument hinges on this word, you are not arguing in good faith, but rather, building a strawman. I'm not going to engage with this style. Thanks.

> I have no papers to show but I have been watching the debate from the sidelines:


> you are not arguing in good faith, but rather, building a strawman.

First strawman is not the word here anyway. That would mean I misrepresent others to make it easier to knock down their arguments.

That said, I'm not a native speaker and it probably affects the quality of my arguments.

I'll try to rephrase it as a thought experiment:

If one ask

- a random sampling of men to distance themselves from a tweet that says women should be chained to the kitchen

- and a random sample of women to distance themselves from a #killallmen tweet

how do one think the results would be?

> I'm not going to engage with this style. Thanks.

Your choice, for the benefit of everyone else I answered.

But I think it is unfair to say I argue in bad faith.


You are arguing a strawman, for the simple reason that the results of this hypothetical would be the same: The average man or woman does not wish murder or slavery on another person. If you live in a social web where this is not the case, that sucks. It's time to get new friends.


No, in fact now you are strawmanning me, creating a dumb version of what I wrote and tearing it down.

My point is that among mainstream feminists it is more ok to write even gross hate speech against men (#killallmen) than it is to write even bad jokes about women (they should be chained to the kitchen) amongst not-feminists.

I'm not suggesting mainstream feminists conspire to actually kill all men.




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