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Maybe its just me, and my appalachian view here: but if the west is so dry, and getting worse, why isnt California, Washington, and Oregon running massive desalination plants with solar or nuclear, and start the water flowing at a massive scale? The water rights show just how dire this is. The need is definitely there. Why's that not happening like 10y ago?

Of course, it's also probably a bad idea to plant water-thirsty stuff in a desert too. You plant what the climate and area supports.



Because the least economically valuable use of the water is agricultural, which is also by far the highest use of water. It makes no sense for a city to desalinate water for ten times the price that it's being sold for agricultural purposes. Unfortunately the politics and property rights of water in the West prevent economically rational water allocation. Instead, city dwellers are legally required to buy ever lower flow shower heads, which make approximately zero difference in overall water usage, while rice farmers flood their fields.


This is the real problem. In most of southern NM and even west TX, these farmers use so much water that mosquitoes become a problem for parts of the year. In the desert....

Agriculture needs big reform here. Either cut it out, or make them pay their big share of water. But I guess nobody wants to buy a 50 dollar bag of almonds or pecans.

Personally, I might miss pecan pie once a year, but otherwise wouldn't even notice if both products ceased to exist.


Desalination is quite expensive, but some plants are operating and more are planned. Agricultural customers will probably not use desalination because of costs; it's more economical to plant their fields with signs decrying the 'congress created dustbowl' (at least for the highway adjacent signs); and residential customers likely increase conservation efforts, but it's an option (and if Wikipedia is correct, it tends to be less expensive than importing water from nearby agencies). Determining where to build the plants and environmental review, and the size of the projects make it a lengthy process, and there are often other project options which could be less costly and may be synergistic with other government efforts; for example expanding wastewater reclamation can meet sewage treatment goals and reduce potable water needs or excess reclaimed water can be directed towards aquifer recharging.


I knew it was expensive, but I really thought most of the costs were in the energy. And, being in a desert means that solar is really effective - the latitude certainly helps too.

I also saw that drewnick also posted that San Diego has a desal plant. That one sounds small - but I could see that scaled up x10, and then drop 20 of them along the coastlines.

Reclamation should also be definitely part of the overall plan too. But if the water input is gown that far down, no amount of reclamation will fix low source.


None of that exists in a vacuum.

The salt has to go somewhere, and brine (concentrated salt water) is harmful to the environment and wild-life. I imagine the only effective way to handle it is to designate a deep water area that is politically acceptable to 'sacrifice' and pump the output entirely to that site. This is of course going to be extremely energy intensive and also will probably leak frequently as earthquakes and ship anchorage destroy the pipe.

Any form of thermal based power generation is going to have similar issues with it's cooling water (which is required in the heat differential that produces useful energy). Cars have radiator fans and waste heat from the engine for this exact reason.

Radical changes to reduce the quantity of water lost to current uses are probably required. I suspect one of them might be to boil the hell out of some of the waste treatment water that's clearer, or even as a distillation method, and send it off for use in recreation field watering and some farming where that makes sense. Lawns as a decorative feature or social status symbol should be banned. Greenhouses and Solar Updraft Tower hybrids ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_updraft_tower ) might be a required conversion for farming regions.


I live in Carlsbad, CA. We procure 50M gallons a day from the Pacific Ocean. [0] San Diego saw this coming 10y ago and took action.

0. https://www.carlsbaddesal.com/


For the curious: 50M gallons is 153 acre-feet. Multiply by 365, that's just shy of 56000 acre feet per year.

So three of these plants would be approximately 1% of the water allocated in the original Colorado River compact.


Thank you for this calculation. This water is primarily residential, versus the Colorado River compact water, which is majority agricultural.

California exports hay (grown on Coloradio River compact water) to other countries, including China and the Middle East. [0]

[0] https://www.desertsun.com/story/news/environment/2017/09/28/...


Something like 80% of the water used in California goes to agriculture. Another 10% to industry. The remaining 10% includes all the grass lawns you see (which are increasingly irrigated with recycled water) and all residential and urban life. There is plenty of water in California, it is just mismanaged. I imagine that's true everywhere else in the west as well. Water rights laws are some of the most corrupted things there are.


Further proof of the blind insanity of capitalism. They are basically shipping water across the ocean from one desert to another.

"The company announced in January 2016 that it paid $31.8 million for 1,790 acres. Some of its fields run alongside the Colorado River.

The company grows hay for cows in its dairy in Saudi Arabia, where the monarchy has set a policy of growing less alfalfa, wheat and corn to reduce pumping of groundwater from the depleted aquifers of the Arabian Peninsula."


> Further proof of the blind insanity of capitalism.

While I agree the pitfalls of unchecked Capitalism are rather dire, you have to realize this business model is only possible because of USDA subsidies; under no other circumstances could this be a profitable endeavor if ti were left to Market forces alone, were it not for the State offsetting the obscene expenses it simply wouldn't be possible.

Furthermore, insuring these crops should be a matter for those respective nations and a premium should be placed on them as that is their final destination--especially since the House of Saud refuses to use it's own water but expects CA to use it's fertile soil and limited water supply to feed its dairy cattle.


It’s only insane because we aren’t charging enough for the water. It’s not properly accounting for the real cost of the water usage.


How many acre-feet does San Diego consume yearly?


> I live in Carlsbad, CA

When I worked in Carlsbad driving in from Southern OC, I remember seeing the construction for Poseidon, it was in the midst of the financial crisis but Carlsbad is an affluent city with mainly older residents and I recall thinking to myself: these guys know how to spend their money right.

If I recall correctly Poseidon supplies not just all of Carlsbad but also to the greater San Diego area and parts of Riverside and OC and is on track to recover it's costs ahead of schedule, right?


Yes, it supplies about 10% of the region's water. At a 2x cost compared to other methods, but for residential the economics still make sense.




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