> "The book implies human brains are able to communicate some degree of information through what today I suspect we refer to as quantum entanglement. Humans, as a species, potentially primarily communicated this way

Quantum Entanglement can't be used for communication: https://www.quora.com/Why-cant-quantum-entanglement-be-used-...

Not sure it's needed as an explanation either; humans have good vision and mirror neurons and imaginations, such that we can read other people's expressions, imagine what they're feeling inside, empathically feel the same, without any need for telepathy - although it basically is telepathy in a sense; silent communication over long distance carried at light speed. Just not words.

> "even citing a scientific study claiming to conclusively demonstrate telepathy."

James Randi's million dollar prize for demonstrating paranormal ability was never won. He did describe paranormal researchers being fooled and completely convinced by such tricks as a thin thread, or blowing on card to move them, later admitted by the test subjects.

> "commonly represented by the feeling one gets if another person is watching them."

I have a copy of Rupert Sheldrake's "The sense of being stared at", maybe I should get round to reading it one day.

> "Im not implying these these are true, but it is interesting to see how they formed several arguments describing events today we have a more sophisticated understanding of."

It's easy to make an encryption system that you yourself cannot break, but can easily be broken. It's easy to convince yourself that your view on a math problem is right, but a proof has to be not just convincing but irrefutable. Woo and the paranormal and medical quackery and so on have so many good stories, amazing ideas and awe-inspiring consequences, and great story tellers, they are rather similar, I think, and that science generally is the process of weeding out the irrefutable unarguable facts from the enticing stories.

Oh, and if you don’t take my word for it how about Richard Feynman (who very scientifically refused to believe while giving his account.)

I cite Feynman’s book: Surely you're joking mr. feynman

Firstly when he describes his experiences with sensory deprivation chambers (which is a whole cult culture dedicated to exploration through mind entanglement.)

Anecdotally, his discussion with his voices at night while drifting to sleep.

And that funny conversation he had when trying to join the army to go off to war (controls played a funny game with him, they didn’t want him charging off to war.)

It is easy to refuse to believe signs of an uncomfortable truth yet these conversations throughout history do add up.

We are not alone in our own minds, and there exists a quantum consciousness technology within us incomprehensible by ordinary modern minds.

They are playing games with us, these disembodied men with capacities easily confused with those of God or devils, take your pick.

But it fits more easily with the bi-cameral mind idea than with a telepathic control organisation. Why would anyone want to charge off to war and die? You don't need to invoke an all powerful being to dissuade someone from joining a war.

Did you read the book? It’s a good one. He was rejected (and they guy conducting the evaluation laughed secretly at him).

Feynman wanted to march off to war. Back then, that war was perceived as a righteous war. Hard to believe, I know.

And bicameral doesn’t explain away the thought controlling. Those thought controlling are a thousand miles away in the protected confines of solitude, not hiding behind a bush a dozen feet away.

I have read Surely You're Joking, Mr Feynman, but long enough ago that I don't remember much of it - handstanding while drinking water to see if swallowing was gravity driven, misdirecting ants by moving their trails around, offering women drinks at bars only if they agreed to sleep with him up-front, learning 'consequentamente' in Portuguese because the Spanish classes were full, fixing radios by thinking (and then swapping valves around), eating chocolate cake for every cafe desert so he never had to think about it again, meeting a safecracker, et al. But no memory of sensory deprivation tanks or trying to go to war.

> "those thought controlling are a thousand miles away in the protected confines of solitude, not hiding behind a bush a dozen feet away."

Have you read Jon Ronson's book The Men Who Stare At Goats[1]? An account of the US army's paranormal investigations. It is non-fiction but reads like Catch-22.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Men_Who_Stare_at_Goats

The military ran a great program. Their successful failure led to the modern convention in thought control.

In the past decades the Arian brotherhood and their rape prisons were more successful in power than the United states military.

> Quantum Entanglement can't be used for communication: https://www.quora.com/Why-cant-quantum-entanglement-be-used-...

If you’re allowed to cite magic allow me to hazard that ignorance is not conclusive proof. Known states may be pushed through entanglement, we just don’t know how.

In the quantum domain constructive and destructive interference is king. Ultimately quantum computing shall be discovered as a sieve, not a qubit state rendering. In our minds we don’t have one particle entangled, we have tens of millions per cluster. By the magical phenomena of constructive interference we shall discover particulate bound potential hold and change their state, like a sieve.

> Not sure it's needed as an explanation either; humans have good vision and mirror neurons and imaginations, such that we can read other people's expressions, imagine what they're feeling inside, empathically feel the same, without any need for telepathy - although it basically is telepathy in a sense; silent communication over long distance carried at light speed. Just not words.

The entanglement conjecture is not really “telepathy” by modern language it is “teleportation” and “wormholes”. Yes, I speculate to you the wormholes are in our heads, only it is information not matter which passes through.

These entanglements do propagate and are captured by proximity however they may be propagated through the very entanglement itself once established (with the help of the host neurons).

> James Randi's million dollar prize for demonstrating paranormal ability was never won. He did describe paranormal researchers being fooled and completely convinced by such tricks as a thin thread, or blowing on card to move them, later admitted by the test subjects

Sorry to burst your top-of-the-food-chain centrism, you’re late to the party.

Those who have perfected these things are already in “controls”. They conduce top scientists speak endlessly on the absurd impossibility of the claim (like a brain parasite the host is unaware of) before letting this truth be emperically observed.

For proofs you must look at the past.

I enjoy these stories about voices diagnosing illness. Some favorites

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/232271307_A_difficu...

PKD is one such case.

https://www.publishersweekly.com/pw/by-topic/industry-news/t...

This is not court evidence sure, yet there are many such cases which fit a pattern that a small percentage of humanity can run around among our minds like hackers on the internet. And these go FAR back in time (wish I had the space).

Thought control now regulates our minds, even our ability to think (or not think) of a topic may be influenced by these controls without our awareness. Hearing the voices either means your mind is very sensitive, or a network has moved in that doesn’t care or cannot competently suppress your awareness.

> Woo and the paranormal and medical quackery and so on have so many good stories, amazing ideas and awe-inspiring consequences, and great story tellers, they are rather similar, I think, and that science generally is the process of weeding out the irrefutable unarguable facts from the enticing stories.

You have been rooted, and your science is laughable. If you think science is anything more than a disciplined way of handling our own ignorance and confusion you are self deceived.

Science is the art of undeceiving the self and should not be respected or relied upon for anything more. For everything else, thank engineers!

I’m not selling you ghosts and goblins, I offer a parody that parallels our waking life in the shadow of our refusal to believe.

Do not refuse to believe sir, that is unscientific. Rather accept humans have no idea what they are talking about and are only relatable by virtue of communicated experiences.

I happened upon a YouTube video about the Collatz Conjecture, a math problem unsolved for decades, and in the comments are people posting their proofs, enjoying puzzling over it even though they get nowhere. And there are people posting that they have a proof, understand and know the answer. It is possible that someone on the planet really does understand what nobody else does, but it is far more likely that these people have an inferiority chip on their shoulder, want to join in, want respect, or are trolling. Since there are a lot more people on Earth feeling low, excluded, or enjoying teasing others than people with world class mathematical insight. And since people with worldclass math insight about the Collatz Conjecture won't be the ones watching "introduction to the Collatz Conjecture" videos on YouTube.

Worse than that, the union of all the people who claim to have insider information about some amazing ability is enormous. Yes you are convinced by quantum entanglement wormholes, but why aren't you convinced by Royal Raymond Rice's machines? Why aren't you convinced by Hollow Earth or Flat Earth? Why aren't you convinced by the Cottingley Faeries? By Breatharianism? By Kirlean Auras, by Lovecraft's Edler Gods, by the Michael Prophecies, by ghosts as traumatic mental energy encoded in nearby rocks, by... every other thing. It's the same question as "Why do you believe in Christianity instead of Hinduism/Jainism/Shintoism/Daoism/Islam/...".

We can all write stories of things which are not real; we can't discern whether other people are telling stories or truths; there's a limited amount of truth, but an infinite amount of stories. That makes it far more likely that any given claim is story, not truth. The only way we have to separate them is to look for evidence of truth.

Rules of thumb:

Would it be really awesomecool if UFOs exist? Yes? That will bias one towards thinking they exist, and one should notice this and counterbalance away in response. It's easy to be tempted by things we want to be true.

Would it be really awesomecool if telepathy existed and also be convenient and remove some of the drudgery of life, the waiting until meeting someone before talking to them, the traveling to where they are, the limitations of words? That will double-bias one towards it because the easier way is tempting, and one should be double-suspicious of one's reason for believeing.

Would it be really awesomecool if one had insider information and knew the Truth(tm) about aliens, UFOs, the Pyramids, the Lord, when other people don't, giving the insider a feeling of superiority? That will double-bias one towards believing it, and one should be double-suspicious of their motives.

Would it be really awesomecool if one could control other people's minds, and it would tickle a power fantasy; coolness, secret knowledge, insider status, and amazing power if it was true? That will quadruple-bias one towards it and makes it even more suspicious and story-like.

And you came back to me with "you have been rooted" "sorry to burst your bubble" "you're late to the thing I knew ages ago" "there's a secret power fantasy" "{respected group} are all fools compared to {secret insider information}".

I may be late to the party, but I worried about Spontaneous Human Combustion and watched the X-Files, and looked in the sky for UFOs and feared ghost sightings and thought it was cool when reports came in of an invisible force-field blocking a car from moving in a car park, I had a subscription to the Fortean Times and couldn't help but notice how the ghost reports and paranormal reports were a tiny fraction of it, and most of it was a double-headed snake or a shadow seen at night in a remote village which maybe was a wild animal but maybe was El Chupacabra.

Time moves on. The world stays the same. Terence McKenna's talking to the mushroom didn't warn clairvoyantly warn him about dying of brain cancer, the High Altitude Active Auroral Research Project (HAAARP) which was supposed to be a front for mind control, wasn't. The YouTube videos of people hearing trumpets in the sky around the world, was a hoax. Cameras with easy access to double-exposure and out-of-focus gave way to a world where high quality smartphones are sold by the hundreds of millions every month, and BigFoot has become an expert at avoiding all of them.

The patterns of paranormal stories become clearer - they give the believer a reason to feel unique, special, superior. They compelling and tempting and cool, within the limits of their time. They are unprovable and unrepeatable physically. They are irrefutable and un-disprovable logically. Nobody talked of the Cottingley Faeries being involved in Quantum Entanglement. When you watch an X-Men film and see Magneto lift a sports stadium or a battleship and then you look at real-world claims of telekinesis where someone tries to wiggle a thread or tip over a balanced playing card, the difference is stark. When you look at things like the woman who claimed to be able to smell Parkinson's disease[1] she was asked to smell the t-shirts of 12 people and correctly sorted 6 with Parkinson's and 6 without, first time, no excuses about how the spirits weren't right or the sceptical energy changed her ability, or how it only worked when her Chakras were aligned. When people claim to have super face-recognition ability[2], tests show they actually have.

You know what happens when I read your link about the voices and "While she was abroad, and still taking the thioridazine, the voices returned. They told her that they wanted her to return to England immediately as there was something wrong with her for which she should have immediate treatment"? I get a spine tingling feeling and mild dread. A desire for something more than mundane reality, escapism, other worlds, possibilities. I also get that when reading HP Lovecraft, A Shadow over Innsmouth. It doesn't mean I believe in people who have been interbreeding with nightmarish aquatic deities to gain immortality. I have fairly clear memories of places I dreamed about, more clear memories than of some places I have actually been. I don't think that's telepresence or alternate realities because the same brain which is remembering where I have been is generating hypotheses and imagineering and storing memories of predictions so I can know what I think will happen; it's much simpler if those two things overlap than if there is clairvoyance and remote viewing involved.

Philip K. Dick saw Rome. Did you see the Red Dwarf quip where Rimmer observes that everyone who claims a past life was Alexander the Great and nobody was Alexander the Great's Chief Eunuch? Why did Philip K. Dick not observe ancient Mesopotamia, the Okavango Delta, the Inca societies, the Aboriginal Australian deserts, any of hundreds of millions of years of pre-historic Earth jungle tribes, Belgium in 1839 or West Africa in 1600BC? Why Rome? And why did the woman hearing voices hear people from Great Ormond Street Children's Hospital (which she had heard of) when she was an adult, why didn't she hear voices from former employees of The Department of Neurosurgery at Brigham and Women's Hospital in Utah? It follows on with "Her children were well, so she had no reason to worry about them" which makes one wonder why the voices were so clear and precise and informative but still vague enough that she had no idea what they wanted to communicate. The end of the link has "There was a group at the case conference who offered a different opinion. Their view was that, the total lack of physical signs notwithstanding, it was unlikely that a tumour of that size had had absolutely no effect on the patient. “She must have felt something,” they argued. They suggested that a funny feeling in her head had led her to fear that she had a brain tumour. That fear had led to her experience of hallucinatory voices. She may have unconsciously taken in more information about various hospitals than she realised, and this information was reproduced by her mind as part of the auditory hallucinatory experience.". If it was a common everyday experience for people to hear voices telling people new information, that would change things. But we're looking at it wondering if it's true or if it's a story and how we might tell from outside, and we have one hypothesis where she was alive for decades and remembered the address of a hospital, and another hypothesis where there is an afterlife, it interacts with the world, spirits from the other side can see into brains with the precision of a computer aided tomography scanner, can communicate with auditory hallucinations in a language the recipient understands, and - despite existing in an afterlife where they are capable of conscious thought and willful intention(?) - still think it "helps" to keep someone alive (why, in that case?).

> "Known states may be pushed through entanglement, we just don’t know how."

No, they may not be, by definition. If you take a pair of gloves, put the right hand glove in one box, the left hand glove in another, shuffle the boxes and send one to Timbuktoo, you can open your box and see a left hand glove and know the person in Timbuktoo has the right hand glove. That doesn't mean you can put the glove on and somehow poke the person in Timbuktoo.

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Since we were on the subject of thought control, ufos, and other such delights

https://t.ly/kZKZ

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> "yet there are many such cases which fit a pattern that a small percentage of humanity can run around among our minds like hackers on the internet."

As I said about X-Men films and Magneto compared to wiggling a playing card, look at X-Men films depictions of Professor Xavier and his mind control abilities. Now look at the speeches of Martin Luther, or populist politicians, or the stage presence of popular singers and entertainers, look at the crowds of tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands fired up by their words, convinced by their rhetoric. Look at the effects on civilisation of preachers and religions, the Cathedrals the lifelong devotion, at the effects of silver tongued cult leaders. The visible effect on people's behaviour is enormous, visible and unmistakable. Now compare to the ide that "a small percentage of humanity can run around among our minds like hackers" and the evidence is no different to background noise; suspiciously, almost by design, no different to a story that is unprovable or undisprovable. Did the playing card wiggle, are you a true believer or have they got to you? What does it have in common with the rules of thumb I considered earlier - are hackers awesomecool and using modern buzzwords? Check. Would it be secret insider knowledge that feels superior to know? Check. What are they doing with their power, are they Jeff Bezos amassing wealth or Elon Musk trying to reach Mars or Putin trying to amass power? No, they're ... making scientists think quantum entanglement cannot communicate information and telepathy isn't real. Hmm.

Of course I can't /prove/ these things didn't happen or don't mean anything. But then the stories which can easily be disproven ("the moon is gone!") have no reason to stick around.

I still fear ghosts even though I no longer believe in ghosts. I am God-fearing even though I no longer believe in the Judeao-Christian old man in the sky I was told about from birth. Scary stories have a sticking power in the mind, and it makes sense that avoiding harm is more useful to a living creature than gaining pleasure, and false positives have small cost.

> "Thought control now regulates our minds, even our ability to think (or not think) of a topic may be influenced by these controls without our awareness."

Like the idea that there is no free will; it would mean I have no ability to change my belief in free will, so it's irrelevant if true. If thought control is regulating my mind without my awareness, none of this matters - none of what you write or what I write makes any difference to anything or anyone. I see a kind of thought control - women in abusive relationships, people in cults, people talked into believing things or not believing things - without needing telepathy involved. Why should I think that telepathy is more real than story?

> "The entanglement conjecture is not really “telepathy” by modern language it is “teleportation” and “wormholes”. Yes, I speculate to you the wormholes are in our heads, only it is information not matter which passes through."

I speculate to you that the entire Sun is not powerful enough to pull the Earth into it, and the amount of energy required to twist spacetime so two distant places are touching in a wormhole would be literally mind-blowing. But why, and how, might I have a wormhole connection to you, of any kind of entanglement or spacetime warping, when we were born so far apart and don't know each other? Why am I more likely to have a connection to your neurons than to the neurons of a nearby cat or a c-elegans parasitic worm inside a cat or to the neurons in your digestive system? You want to "burst my top-of-the-food-chain centrism" but you are prioritising humans as special and different when we are vastly outnumbered by other creatures with similar biology.

To paraphrase Tim Minchin, there are a lot of mysteries in the world. Every mystery humans have untangled or explained has turned out to be: not magic. Paranormal things retreat into the ever-smaller gaps where the unexplained still exists, like the God of the Gaps. Radioactivity stayed where it is, when we found it, we found it. The paranormal was once crashing accross the sky in Thunderclaps, then it was faeries appearing in the garden and distant reports of sightings, ... nowadays the paranormal is hiding down at 0.000000000001cm excitations in subatomic fields? Where's the telekenesis that can move mountains, where's the clairvoyance that can predict lottery numbers, where's the mind control that can read thoughts in words without torture? Nah mate, see that neuron wiggle a little? Do you believe that could happen by chance? That's the real paranormal, that is. It's a secret only those of us in the know, know, y'know? If you don't know, sorry but you're a controlled fool and hooray because that means I'm better than you in an exclusive club you can't join. Y'know like we're back being 5 again and I'm showing you the trick where you stare into a mirror until the persistance of vision effect makes you look weird and telling you that's an image of you in old age, and you're gullible if you believe and a fool if you don't.

> "I enjoy these stories about voices diagnosing illness. Some favorites"

I also enjoy those stories. Take this guy[3] where the title is "brain injury turns man into math genius" but the text of the article is "He started sketching circles made of overlapping triangles, which helped him understand the concept of pi, the ratio of a circle's circumference to its diameter." which is middle school math for tens of millions of children around the world every year, and not genius anything. The topic says he sees complex geometric shape, but the descriptions says he sees straight lines over things. The topic says he's an aqcuired savant but the decsription says he gained an interest in math and went to college to study it. Something unusual happened but it has been hyped into a much more enticing, engaging, meme-worthy story.

[1] https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-34583642

[2] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3904192/

[3] https://www.livescience.com/45349-brain-injury-turns-man-int...

So much material. I sense and appreciate your journey. To most of it I can only say you’re generally right “all things considered”, yet all things are not considered.

There is an exogenous, an interloper, an additive factor in addition to … lies , confusion, ignorance, stories, coincidence, interpretation, conjecture, speculation, imagineering, imagination, hope, or just guessing.

A few points to address…

> I speculate to you that the entire Sun is not powerful enough to pull the Earth into it

It sure is and you reveal a light understanding of physics. We are in a STABLE orbit, that means the manifold of space time is curved such that we fall away and toward at an equal speed. If the earth “stopped” it would fall right down a hole that the sun is at the bottom —- yet alas, by the time earth was where there should be an impact it will be moving so fast it will go through about where the sun was (and isn’t anymore). If not going too fast it will fall back to wherever it is now gravitationally positioned, and the cycle continues until it stabilized, got away from the sun, or fell in!

I don’t mean to dismiss anything by this, “just saying” you can be close and still miss things.

> and the amount of energy required to twist spacetime so two distant places are touching in a wormhole would be literally mind-blowing.

It will never exists. Wormholes exist only in our minds (or similar quantum perturbance technology). They transfer information only, no matter. They are as easy to form as entanglement.

Besides this is the quantum/classical divergence.

Universal potential is underlying classical physics, not a separate glove in a box.

State is the manifest form, the resolve of potential in the moment of “now”. State is both emerging from collapsing potentials and in decay.

The spooky phenomena is universal potential operating outside space/time (though “now” is the only moment that ever exists). Space time is the byproduct.

A wormhole is merely a stable entanglement which can be used by {some technological mechanism} to transceive.

> But why, and how, might I have a wormhole connection to you, of any kind of entanglement or spacetime warping, when we were born so far apart and don't know each other? Why am I more likely to have a connection to your neurons than to the neurons of a nearby cat or a c-elegans parasitic worm inside a cat or to the neurons in your digestive system?

You don’t!

The entanglement is captured, maintained, and moved around through means of the brain’s biotechnology. It might take you a thousand years to “figure it out” on your own. After well over a thousand years lurking in our humanity, what exists today is a continuity of byproduct. It is technology.

Power is occult! Laugh if you will! Why shouldn’t this be protected by lies and confusion? What good really comes of a big reveal?

> You want to "burst my top-of-the-food-chain centrism" but you are prioritising humans as special and different when we are vastly outnumbered by other creatures with similar biology.

Nope.

I guess you’ve never heard of the snail telegraph

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pasilalinic-sympathetic_comp...

Or read the cosmic serpent

https://g.co/kgs/ERv4L1

And I’d rather forgo the compulsory link to their “refutation”. I offer that denying the elusive is easier than filtering for “hrm”.

Like I said, people don’t know what they’re saying or experiencing, they are accounting in their own interpretive way, and these clues accumulate over time.

These things are truthy, though to disappoint you, you and most others are in the dark.

Roughly one sixth of the world hear “the voices” and it is taboo to speak of this.

One one thousandths of these are able to manipulate and travel among the minds of others (through consciousness). One of a thousand among these can completely manipulate thousands at a time (power is non-linear).

A secret society of power cults already have the power of god in mens minds and they like to keep it that way.

Consider how people behave on the internet when they are anonymous and have the power to mess with others.

It is a thousand times worse with thought control powers.

It is indeed interesting.