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Ask HN: Linux based music creation workflow for 10 year old
12 points by noisy_boy on July 27, 2022 | hide | past | favorite | 27 comments
My daughter is interested in singing/creating music - recently she showed me how she used web based applications to mix and create music.

I was wondering if there is a workflow that she can use on her laptop (running Pop!_OS which is based on Ubuntu) to easily create, say, remix of songs. I have heard of Jack and have occasionally used Audacity but I neither have any background in creating music nor any specific equipment that is needed (I'm not opposed to buying if this turns out to be a long-term interest for her). Also, it doesn't have to be offline - purely web-based or combination of online/offline is fine.

My main goal is for her to be able to create quickly and easily while keeping the complexity low so as to not scare her away.



This was me twenty years ago. So mandatory disclaimer, I was classically trained from the age of like 7 to 20.

I can't stress enough the value of private instruction. Keyboard and voice lessons are relatively inexpensive (not free, of course, but not the biggest luxury) and access to a keyboard or guitar (those especially!) and a teacher who can show proper technique to play and sing is really great. Music is taught primarily in a master/apprentice form and more important than doodling in a DAW is getting someone to show you how to doodle. A relatively inexpensive keyboard and some lessons on playing will go further than any software. Personally I took keyboard and later recording/production lessons and it really gave me the tools to create.

For the tech part, you need three things. A mic to record the voice, a midi keyboard (if you go with lessons you'll need a decent keyboard anyway, and most can be plugged into the computer with USB these days), and a DAW (digital audio workstation). The cheapest form factor now is an iPad with garage band, which is famously user friendly. If you're committed to Linux, bitwig is great but your kid will need to do a lot of self study and practice with YouTube tutorials. Something that can't be beat is a smartphone or tablet with voice memos recording them playing and singing. Audacity can do that.

As an avid Linux user with a lot of experience I will say it sucks for beginner audio work. Get a Mac and use GarageBand, it just works.

If my kid wanted to make music I'd get them a keyboard and lessons, then a voice recorder to make the music. DAWs are essential for pro work but it's a lot to ingest for beginners. Most teachers will be familiar with how to use them these days, ifs standard fare to teach in college.


I appreciate the detailed reply. We do have a decent Casio keyboard as we started her on piano lessons. However, she never practiced and doesn't seem like she really enjoyed it (I never saw her playing it by herself, even after we terminated the classes). That was more than 3 years ago so it is possible that we got her started prematurely.

Lately she has been listening to a lot of music and trying simplistic music mixing etc. I think I have realized to be more hands-off when it comes to her interests so I'm sort of just observing and hoping that it sticks. If that does happen, I think I'm not averse to the tools you mentioned.


Invest in an audio interface to plug in various things: microphone, bass guitar and guitar, a way to output sound to a monitor.

A bought a cheap 100$ it’s been 5 years and it works amazingly.


Why can't she use the same web based application on her laptop? DAWs are, by nature, extremely complicated, Linux or not. If she has something that already works, I don't see why you'd want to change.

I'd like to mention SonicPi though. It's a platform for creating music through code, and is used all over the world to teach kids both programming and music production at the same time. It's really cool.


She is already using that web based application on her laptop - thats how I found that she created the mix :) Was just curious if there is a workflow that is more commonly used for her age group.


Gotcha. Good luck on the search :)


https://lmms.io/ is free and open source, and similar to FL Studio (though not as full-featured). LMMS might have a bit of a learning curve, but having used FL Studio in the past I had no problem plonking out some simple tunes (after downloading some free SoundFonts I found on Google).

It should be installable via apt, so it's easy to try it out, anyways!


Someone put me in front of fruity loops as a child and it just worked out and sounded great (for me, then).

LMMS is exactly that. You can make it as simple or complex as you want it to be.


I believe this is the best option for a starter. The FL studio lookalike interface is easy for beginners


Get her Bitwig! The 16-track version would be perfect to start with, and is on sale right now: https://www.bitwig.com/buy/

Bitwig is one of the only major audio workstations taking Linux seriously. They're basically building a supercharged version of Ableton Live, and it's got great multiplatform support. If latest PopOS! has PipeWire enabled, then all you need to install is your pipewire-jack package for the audio server, and your bitwig-studio package for Bitwig. Once you have Bitwig installed, you can boot that up and activate it with whichever version you get. It's a seriously powerful tool, and pairs nicely with touchscreen devices. Works great with MIDI enabled hardware, too!


Bitwig's 16-track version seems to be the perfect next level.

Latest PopPS! has Pipewire - I'm using it right now. Thanks for the tips on the audio configuration. I'm hoping she doesn't lose interest and gets involved enough that I have to buy it for her (fingers crossed!)


https://www.bitwig.com/ has a demo and is reasonably priced. It's very similar to Ableton which I've used and really enjoy the workflow of.


If Aruria's V Collection ever goes on sale it's a killer combo with Bitwig. Easily one of the most straight forward ways to write music with 1000s of presets. Plus Bitwig has a discounted 8-track version so this doesn't need to be a huge investment.


Thanks for the recommendation - available on Linux + its nice that they also have a starter pack. I made a note for this for future.


Oh wow cool niche question!

Keeping complexity down is going to be the main issue (isn’t it always). Music software can get very complex unfortunately.

Is your daughter set on doing this “in the box” (on computer)? My first thought is that physical equipment might have easier (or at least more satisfying for a child) learning curves.

Hopefully someone can hop in with concrete equipment for mixing or Linux software advice. Mac guy myself.


If she really wants to do something, she can figure it out even if the UX is not extremely simple. Kids are learning machines.

Music theory is optional.


Scaler will go a long way to teaching music theory. The VST has an optional six hour video course which is easy to follow along with.


Have you considered an iPad?


Unfortunately we already have an Android tablet (Samsung) and I would prefer to avoid the integration challenges with an Apple device in an non-Apple environment. Would be open to any (paid or unpaid) apps on Android though.


I understand, but an iPad is a much better platform for digital music. I think you could dedicate the iPad to music, and keep the Samsung tablet for everything else.


Yes - others have also suggested Garageband. Maybe it would be better to straight up get a full-on Macbook at that point.


I find the iPad GarageBand version more enjoyable as non professional musician. The touchscreen and the simplicity helps a lot.


Seconding this. Some of the smoothest, least obtrusive apps are on iOS.

If you're dead set on Linux I suggest looking at OpenMPT. It's a classic tracker app, very mature, and officially supported on Linux through Wine. I was using trackers to make beats at 10 years old, and these days it's much easier to find samples. It's at the right level of complexity for a kid that wants to write sequences and maybe add in some recording, but isn't ready to spend hours and hours on audio engineering.


it’s probably a better idea to get her a looper station from BOSS and a microphone. maybe a cheap keyboard as well from korg. from a few $100 she’ll be set. linux does not really have what she is looking for unless she wants to get into hardcore screwing around with configuring obscure tools and DAWs and plugins which will not get her the results she wants.


I beg to differ. Bitwig has a package on Ubuntu that works perfectly fine out of the box, with full Midi controller support (and multitrack, low-latency recording, as PipeWire rolls out across distros). The days of fiddling with JACK are over!


ok, that is true. forgot that one. maybe there is a linux version of the renoise tracker too.


i cant wait to have a daughter, ill show her hanna montana linux




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