The problem isn't that certain customers are bigots, but that they actively seek to allow harm to be done by their own end users like Kiwi Farms. The fact they have an exhaustive wikipedia for one person (Chris Chan) should have been the "nope" moment for them. Like if I was a host or a provider of a service and Josh Moon came to me with his site I'd just turn him away because he's like nuclear waste dangerous. It's not a matter of morals, it's a matter of social vs anti-social. Josh Moon, his own mother, and many of the loudest users on Kiwi Farms are anti-social to such an extreme that if they even tried to do their antics in real life beyond SWATing and cyberstalking, they'd probably be in prison now. It's not a matter of dealing with something like some religious organization that thinks being gay or trans is immoral, it's a group of thugs that skirt the law through various means and sometimes even cross into illegal acts that are hard to track/monitor (ex. SWATing).
Swatting is illegal, users of the site are doing the swatting, and KF simply pretends they aren't. They aren't arrested because the reason they use swatting is so they can't be tracked and thrown in jail themselves.
Meanwhile people's lives are ruined, their friends and family contacted, harassed, and they live in terror of people who congregate, anonymously, on that site, which is hosted out in the open with large corporations providing them services. A donation to the trevor project does nothing to protect those people, it just tells them their lives are expendable and they'll try to save someone else's.
Something must be done to stop them. I haven't heard any legal arguments for what could be done to stop them - one is told simply "you can't fight back, and you can't protect yourself, legally". When people are told that, they take more drastic measures, because the system that exists won't protect them.
Honestly a good proposal I've heard is to at minimum shut down SWATTing or add consequences and tracking of the requestor. Police being able to be consistently deployed on a ruse is, to me, insane.
Honestly, I agree that there needs to be work done. I think the first step is to get the police to not be as ignorant as they are. The fact that Keffals tried to notify the police of a potential harassment effort and they chose to ignore her should've never happened. Police today are poorly trained and educated but still get an exorbitant budget. I think it's time for people to declaw them or retrain them or possibly both on top of dealing with Kiwi Farms directly.
Quite agree, but it also seems like that won't change for many years. This is why the campaign to get service providers like cloudflare to drop hate and terror sites is the only real solution for the short term. Now that cloudflare has declared that they will keep providing services to the hate and terror sites (and the sites that attack them, remember), its an open question what will happen next.
"The problem isn't that certain customers, in my personal biased subjective opinion that is subject to no oversight whatsoever, are bad people who advocate doing bad things. The real problem is that certain customers, in my personal biased subjective opinion that is subject to no oversight whatsoever, are bad people who advocate doing bad things."
Things being subjective doesn't mean they're not true. What you mean to say is my arbitrary or biased view, which also doesn't invalidate their truthfulness. The fact that folks like you think subjectivity means arbitrary or biased or that it has no truth or factual value is disturbing and your position is also a deflection. In the United States, you can be sued at any time by other private parties. The fact that Josh Moon refuses to reign in his site users because he agrees with them (you can look in the posts he's made) means any business you do with them sets you up for liability. And guess what? Cloud Flare's CEO is endangering the bottom line and if I was a minority holder I'd be calling up the board to override his decisions, even if it meant a complete stockholder revolt against him. Letting the rejects of the most rejected group of people congregate and do misdeeds that either are explicitly illegal or border on illegality isn't a sound business decision. Wake me up you have an actual argument rather than trying to do 4chan level antics and mockery.
I definitely think some things are objectively good or bad, I just don't think me or you or any individual is qualified to adjudicate that for all of society. That's what the law is for.
The CWCki is not operated by KF, and at any rate is critical of Chris but not at all wishing death or violence on him. (And it is a wiki, not "a Wikipedia." Wikipedia is itself a wiki.)
And what does Josh's mother have to do with anything?
