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>You have pivoted the conversation completely from crypto lacking certain abilities consumers find crucial, specifically reversing transactions and protection from fraud, into a conversation about state surveillance. I am not going to defend police states or mass surveillance.

A conversation about the power of the government to have real-time, granular information about every dollar you spend, send or receive and total control over whether to allow or prevent your transactions is a conversation about state surveillance.



Almost no one is going to give up the benefits of consumer protections because of the possibility that their government is out to get them. Thus I don't see how any of this is relevant.




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