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It was Kremlin propaganda for a day to claim that the missiles that hit Poland were Ukrainian. People got flagged. Now it is the official Biden position.

I'm not sure why we in the West cannot adopt the following stance:

Yes, Russia invaded and committed atrocities. But it does not mean that everything they say is a lie. If you are familiar with Soviet propaganda, it is in fact relatively easy to spot the obvious lies (e.g., dirty bomb).

The Nord Stream sabotage is not at all obvious. The increased use of missiles started after the Crimea bridge attack. So they didn't need a false flag Nord Stream operation as an excuse for that.


Everything people don't like is Kremlin propaganda these days, even when you cite Radio Free Europe.


It was disturbing watching people call for all out anhilation of Russia with nuclear war over those two deaths and then absolutely silence when Biden and Stoltzberg made their remarks. I take it you don't watch TV much either.


Given that Biden has explicitly threatened to sabotage the NS2 pipeline, it's not I would say that the prime suspect has to be the USA. It's true that Russia would be the secondary suspect, just because of their quite erratic behavior.

But it is extremely important to note that Russia always had the option of simply stopping gas delivery even if the pipeline was not destroyed (and Germany similarly could stop delivery at the other end), while other parties had to actually sabotage the pipeline if they wanted to prevent such deals.


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Kinda like how it would be stupid for Russia to engage in a war with Ukraine. They'd never do something that dumb.


Since Russia is red meat here, what would you say if China put SLBMS in Mexico?



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Yes, God forbid someone present opposing views. I must be working for the Kremlin. I forgot we were all supposed to take our marching orders from MSNBC. Pretty funny coming from an account that has been here less than a month.


You should do this by email, now you are just calling someone a shill indirectly.




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