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All civilizations from Ancient Egypt to Western Europe were built on slave labour. Ever heard of colonialism? Where do you think your Nike shoes and Apple iPhones and Starbucks coffee are produced? You think Westerners don't live off the labours of Asians and Africans on dirt poor wages?


First of all: nothing of that, even if applying, does not counter criticism of ongoing slavery.

> You think Westerners don't live off the labours of Asians and Africans on dirt poor wages?

That is far less bad than outright slavery.

> Where do you think your Nike shoes and Apple iPhones and Starbucks coffee are produced?

I do not own or owned or used any of this products and in general try to avoid such products.

> Ever heard of colonialism?

Yeah, my country was victim of it. (hilariously, there were attempt to engage in it - interrupted by getting colonised)

> All civilizations from Ancient Egypt to Western Europe were built on slave labour.

Not all of them (OK, serfdom and feudalism was really really bad but has not reached full-blown slavery).


While you're right to a degree this relationship is still beneficial to those laborers in Asia at least to some level. Due to western investment their living conditions generally have improved quite significantly to what it was in the past.

Just look at China now and 30-40 years ago. Especially when you compare it to countries which didn't become manufacturing hubs like India and some other others in the region (and especially Africa).


> this relationship is still beneficial to those laborers in Asia at least

I can’t take any opinion about Western saviours seriously.

Western currencies are over valued and propped up by colonial structures and theft.

Western societies exist off the back of outsourced labor - nearly equivalent to slavery, but sure let’s act like it’s /way/ better, since they’re not “owned” anymore.


> Western societies exist off the back of outsourced labor - nearly equivalent to slavery, but sure let’s act like it’s /way/ better, since they’re not “owned” anymore.

conflating this two is absurd (my current freelancing contract is also outsourced labor, allowing me to earn about 5 times average wage or 15 times minimum wage and is not slavery in any way)

some of outsourced labor is bad, but not because it is outsourced labor


Most outsourced labor is bad, all /manual/ labor is bad - it’s outsourced because the non-west are seen as grunt slaves.

Please don’t be disingenuous - I’m not talking about IT desk jobs and you know that.


Not all manual outsourced labor is bad.

Also, you can have IT desk jobs with horrific condition for workers.


None of that changes the fact that all manual labor is outsourced for profit/control, and not benevolence like OP implied.


Whataboutism.




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