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is this an attempt to suppress the innovation rate of other countries?


I think its more a tit-for-tat response to previous US trade restrictions.


I mean, the US move was tit-for-tat for a decade of militarizing the South China Sea, threatening war against Taiwan, undermining the US economy through stealing trade secrets and sponsoring national champions.


Only the US, after all, is allowed to militarize the South China sea.


> the US, after all, is allowed to militarize the South China sea

The U.S. doesn’t claim the sea as its sovereign waters. China does. (Which had the totally unpredictable effect of majorly pissing off every one of its maritime neighbours.)


Not true, China's claims are best known in the West because everybody hates/fears them. But there are others - like the dispute between Indonesia, Malaysia, and the Philippines regarding maritime borders.


> the dispute between Indonesia, Malaysia, and the Philippines regarding maritime borders

There are disputes over territorial waters and EEZs. China uniquely claims the whole damn thing, not as its exclusive economic zone, but its sovereign territory. The Philippines aren't asking for the right to tax ships passing through its EEZ, it just wants to fish and drill and mine them.


All the countries in the region have overlapping claims to the waters, it's not unique to China.


Including Taiwan, which makes almost exactly the same claims as China, and which occupies the largest of the islands in the South China Sea.


> Taiwan, which makes almost exactly the same claims as China

Source? I've never heard of Taiwan claiming waters off the coasts of Brunei, Malaysia and Vietnam as China does [1].

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nine-dash_line#/media/File:9_d...


The article you've linked to explains that Taiwan makes nearly the same claims as the PRC in the South China Sea.

In fact, the famous "dashed-line" claims in the South China Sea were originally made by the Republic of China, before it was defeated by the Communists. This is a map from 1947, showing the ROC's eleven-dash line: [0].

The only difference that I know of between the claims of the ROC and the PRC is that the PRC has slightly reduced its claims as a result of an agreement with Vietnam over the naval boundary in the Gulf of Tonkin.

0. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:1947_Nanhai_Zhudao.p...


> Taiwan makes nearly the same claims as the PRC in the South China Sea

Taiwan doesn’t assert the claim [1]. There is sensitivity around explicitly abandoning it, as “changing the ROC’s historical claims would indicate—especially to Beijing—that the island democracy was abandoning its historical political identity and moving towards an inherently Taiwanese national identity, or even independence” [2]. To the degree Taipei has legitimately aligned with Beijing, it has been in the limited sense of arguing Taiwan is legally a real island, not an islet which cannot make any maritime claims [3][4].

[1] https://www.taipeitimes.com/News/front/archives/2016/07/15/2...

[2] https://globaltaiwan.org/2020/07/taiwans-delicate-balancing-...

[3] https://focustaiwan.tw/politics/201607120024

[4] https://www.forbes.com/sites/ralphjennings/2016/03/23/how-ta...


Taiwan not only asserts the claim, but actually occupies much more valuable islands than the PRC does. Like the PRC, Taiwan rejected the Philippines' claims and refused to recognize the arbitration body's decision or legitimacy.

Tsai Ing-Wen doesn't want to look like she's aligning herself with China on this issue, but this is long-standing ROC policy, going back to before the PRC was even founded. It's not something the PRC invented.


The Philippines do which might as well be the US claiming sovereignty, since they are a host of the US military and in a mutual defense agreement.


So I take USA has no maritime border? Or no territorial waters? That is new for me, but if you say so.


The Chinese simply call it the South Sea, but linguistic games don't change who in the region actively threatens to invade who.


Which countries have been saying that about the US? Last I checked, many of China’s neighbors have been upset at China.


To be fair many (all?) of china's southeast asian neighbors are hosts to US military bases. They aren't going to bite the hand that pays for their anti aircraft defenses.


What's you opinion about Indian Ocean, Sea of Japan, Persian Gulf and Gulf of Mexico ?


I feel that if Chinese carrier groups were based out of Cuba, or were routinely conducting exercises right outside Chesapeake bay, the complaints would probably be reversed by ~180 degrees.


lol what?

just cause a sea is named after a country doesn't mean it's theirs

just like Sea of Japan


That's exactly what it is. The US decided (beginning with the Trump administration) that the status quo was unacceptable and has decided to "decouple" and increasingly contain China's development with export controls. No one should be surprised that there's retaliation, but everyone pretends that it's the other side that is the aggressor while they are simply the innocent victim.


I think that's largely true; although in hindsight the US missed a crucial opportunity during the Obama administration to respond to China's bans on Google, Facebook, forced tech transfers, et cetera.


It's about avoiding counter-party risk and strengthening domestic supply chains against uncertain economic, geopolitical and military future. Certainly there is the element of "don't strengthen your adversaries" too. Why would they want to make the West stronger (if they can avoid it) if the West is a potential military threat?


It’s likely them firing back due to US tightening chip exports.


I think its for the best to find new rare earth sources outside of China now anyway, before any great power struggles.


There are lots of sources; it's just very environmentally damaging and/or expensive to extract them. And so far China could, for various reasons, do it way more cheaply than most others. Seems this is going to change...


Or the battery minerals/components rules for EV tax credits


This is really the best they could come up with?


maybe they want to milk their rare earth monopoly before technology innovates around it.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-03-20/tesla-tsl...




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