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Option A only exists for a select few STEM degrees. Otherwise, that solid paycheck doesn't really exist for a 4 year degree.

Option B means you're getting paid while learning instead of shelling out $50k+ for a 4 year degree.

"Shitty condtions" is subjective. A lot of people would call staring at a screen in a cube, under harsh fluorescent lights while breathing in your coworkers farts and getting obese from zero movement shitty.

Also, you're severely underestimating what kinda money a tradesman can bring in. It's on par/better than a lot of 4 year degree holders without the debt part.



> "Shitty condtions" is subjective.

Try working as a plumber for a month, and "shitty" takes on a new, more literal meaning.

"Subjective" often just means "relative to their experience". If someone never did work in a physically exhausting, dirty or dangerous job, they tend to have a different view of "shitty conditions" than those who did.


“stare at a screen in a cube, under harsh fluorescent lights while breathing in your coworkers farts and getting obese from zero movement”

You should write Amazon Job ads!


>"Shitty condtions" is subjective.

I don't think it is. I worked as an electrician's apprentice for 3 years in school. Trade work absolutely destroys your body. Every day you are up and down ladders, squeezing through filthy nail-studded crawlspaces or 130 degree also nail-studded attics, construction sites with dubious safety, power tools operated by people who are drunk and high while breathing in wood/concrete/glass fiber/and whatever else kind of particulates. At the end of the day your body hurts (and only hurts more with time), so you drink several beers, pass out in front of the TV, then do it again. Go to a construction site, guess someone's age, then ask and be surprised to learn the person who looks like a rough 55 is really 42.

There are really only 2 ways to be a tradesperson without killing your body before you are 60: 1) become staff tradesperson for something like a hospital or a university. This is open to you once you have some experience, the pay is not great but it's usually a fairly cushy job as the demands are not high or 2) start a business. I won't go into it, but it's really hard to do this and be successful. Most people who try can't make it for one reason or another.


Moving is good for you, provided you do it correctly and put in the work to keep your body up to the task. Eating healthy is part of this. A lot of tradesmen have bad diets, drink too much. It's not the movement and using their muscles that's aging them.

Sitting your but in a chair all day staring at a screen is far worse for you than using your body daily. Office workers regularly end up obese and almost wheel chair bound shortly after they retire.


Turns out, tradesmen need to move in ways jobs requires and not in ways recommend by fitness videos.


Like what? Everything you do as a tradesmen can be done safely. They aren't moving their bodies in ways that humans aren't supposed to.

The only people that tout stuff like this are overweight office workers that sit on their butts all day trying to make excuses for their sedentary lifestyles.

I don't meet many tradesmen that have heart attacks at 40.


> Like what? Everything you do as a tradesmen can be done safely. They aren't moving their bodies in ways that humans aren't supposed to.

They actually are moving in ways people are not supposed to. Repetitive movements put massive strain on body, cumulatively. Add to it heavy weights and bad weather (in some professions) and damage becomes predictable.

> I don't meet many tradesmen that have heart attacks at 40.

Office guys do not have heart attacks at 40 all that often either. But if you think they have them more then tradesman, then you probably do not know much about tradesmen.


Are you a tradesman?


When I was younger I hated the time behind the monitor and enjoyed the weekend projects. Now that i'm older my body aches when I anything. (Sitting on a chair is still doing something!)


Gotta get out and move in your free time. It'll only get worse if you don't.




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