Appeal to Tradition, classic fallacy. [1] Which ideals? Slavery has survived for thousands of years, does that make it better? Took thousands of years to develop the concept of capitalism, should we have skipped it?
What dialog? "It's been around for thousands of years, therefore it is the best way to do things" is hardly basis for a conversation.
These same people will shamelessly use modern birth control, despite not being used for thousands of years. That's why those ideals existed for so long.
>>What dialog? "It's been around for thousands of years, therefore it is the best way to do things" is hardly basis for a conversation.
Is everything traditional automatically wrong and everything modern automatically right?
>> These same people will shamelessly use modern birth control, despite not being used for thousands of years. That's why those ideals existed for so long.
You got all this from the poster you replied to? It sure seem you are doing a lot of projecting and straw man building.
> Is everything traditional automatically wrong and everything modern automatically right?
How did you get this? The point of a fallacy is that the conclusion does not follow, not that "the inverse is correct". Just because something is traditional does not mean it is right, though it can be. Just because something is not traditional does not mean it is wrong, though it can be. Capitalism wasn't traditional, turned out to be a good idea. Not-murdering-people is traditional, and a pretty good one to follow.
> You got all this from the poster you replied to? It sure seem you are doing a lot of projecting and straw man building.
Yes, most people use modern birth control (e.g., condoms). It is a reasonable assumption to make.
Pay attention to the deeper point being made: effective birth control has not been available for all those thousands of years of "tradition". Why do you think premarital sex has been taboo for so long? Because until recently, that was a really good way to create unstable, broken families.
The ones about marriage and the relationships between men and women than exist in nearly every civilization in the world for thousands of years.
I think the jury is out on the modern world, as many slaves in middle ages lived far better than the capitalist "slave" workers in the America, India, Philippines, today.
The reason why they had such similar ideals is because none of them had effective birth control. That was just developed in the 20th century. Pre-marital sex is no longer an issue, you no longer have to marry someone just because of your raging hormones.
I think I'll take ideals that have survived for thousands of years over dodgy conclusions from likely fraudulent and unrepeatable data.