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Still better than the kind of promises you'd get from Elon Musk, costing you 10K to get a FSD system to drive you into a wall.

I like the fact that they show their intent without making you pay for it



Well, he's also jump-started all of car electrification. I agree FSD is bad, but unless you paid for it, it's a weird thing to focus on given the bigger picture impact Tesla and Musk have had.


Not sure how Toyota is better in any regard. The timeline has always been 3 to 4 years away and has been previously vaporware.

On top of that they're lobbying hard spending a lot of money against government incentives against fossil fuels and pollution standards.

https://cleantechnica.com/2023/06/14/toyota-shareholder-revo....

> Toyota has lobbied against strict fuel efficiency standards in Australia and worldwide and is one of the top three funders of lobbyists against 100% battery electric vehicles (BEVs). Various Toyota executives have sent mixed messages about the future ascendency of hydrogen-powered cars, the efficacy of mild hybrids vs. BEVs, and a future BEV strategy based on solid-state batteries. None of these technologies have proven their worth yet, and I wonder if these messages are merely a ploy for Toyota to maintain its current hybrid vehicle (HEV) dominance and profit margins.


“It’s better to be an optimist who is sometimes wrong than a pessimist who is almost always right”

Mark Twain


And there is promising the moon and delivering a tennis ball, and that years late...


I've got plenty of gripes with Musk -- not the least of which are Tesla's marketing of assistive driving technologies, which the folks there had to know would be misleading.

I think this is somewhat unfair, though: that $10k is for a software unlock. Battery tech is hardware. Toyota can't charge extra for advanced batteries before said batteries are ready for mass production, for obvious reasons -- so they didn't really have the opportunity to engage in this kind of broken promise.




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