The action of flagging this article exposes the blatant hypocrisy surrounding free speech propaganda in the West. They conveniently continue to chant about it as long as it serves their agenda.
Yeah, it is annoying. No time to even formulate some reasoned arguments, around which there might be interesting discussion, before the whole discussion gets flagged away.
But god forbid, some tech giant pulls down some random app from app store, or there's letting go of some employees from some company most people never heard of, or some rando gets blocked from accessing gmail for a while. You'll get 100s comment discussions there. :-)
Hopefully people are coming to understand there is no such thing as "international law" and therefore no such thing as "war crimes". There is no enforcer of justice at the international level. There are only gangster states with gigantic militaries who impose their will on everyone else. Every bomb Israel drops on a Palestinian baby is bankrolled by the US. No international body has the capacity to stop the US or Israeli military from bulldozing Palestine. If there were, Dick Cheney and George W Bush would've been tried by the ICC.
Regular people need to organize oppositional political institutions: primarily parties and unions to fight for the interests of regular people against these 1% ghouls. What's needed is a revolutionary struggle against our respective national ruling classes, with an international collaboration that will eventually make obsolete national boundaries.
UK actually cared about its people. They evacuated them (which the Government of Gaza will not). They sent their kids away (which the Government of Gaza will not). The UK invested in shelters and other infrastructure (which the Government of Gaza does not, except for their soldiers).
You need to compare it to the death tolls of the nations that also did not.
Comparison to UK building shelters during WW2 is not reasonable and mentions of "which the Government of Gaza will not" are disingenuous. They can not in any meaningful way build shelters that would protect 2.3 million people living there.
UK was ~500x the size, not including colonies, or whatnot and a great power not under decades long siege at that time.
On the other hand, Gaza is small, and Israel famously blocks imports of construction materials and technology to Gaza, and attacks international ships and kills crew that attempt to bring it there without approval.
Civilian bomb shelters are also not very useful without a warning system and against an enemy, that can target them directly and is in the sky 24/7. Show me a typical Israeli bomb shelter that can survive a direct hit from one or two of those JDAM guided 1000/2000 pound bombs, without everyone inside being killed. Locations of all the shelters would be known to Israel, so they'd be easily targeted.
Anyway, yeah, apples and oranges of a situation, comparing this to anything in the past, including air raids on London.
It's complicated with a lot of folks caught in the middle. You have Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran, etc wanting to genocide Israel and then you have Israel that gives no fucks.
What was the spark, Hamas very well knew they could not win, some say it was Russia/Iran that wanted a broader war where the Arab countries would join in knowing it would draw in the USA. This would certainly help Russian/Iranian interests right now with the War Russia is waging on Ukraine. I feel like it's all about weakening the West and causing discourse through out western society. The players like Russia, Iran, North Korea, China all want our Western world to fail.
Maybe we're due for another WW, it will play out the way it plays out I suppose.
Israel can have a hostage swap any time it wants. The goverment gives priority to other goals, though.
Israel government probably doesn't want all those hostages back too soon, because it might undermine their war goals (many hostages are not Israelis, and many would talk to media, and might disrupt the messaging either via either a stockholm syndrome, or just by talking about what they lived through and seen during the Oct 7 attack). Also no hostages would mean one less reason for fighting Hamas, while destroying their own economy.
The first I've heard mention of this document was on https://crooked.com/podcast/the-israeli-ground-invasion-begi... that I war listening to while cycling. The hosts say that this Ministry is misleadingly named; they are more of a think tank than a department like the CIA.
Israel started the war when they stole the land, and it's never stopped.
> "The Oslo Agreements gave Israel full control over Gaza's airspace, but established that the Palestinians could build an airport in the area" and the disengagement plan states that: "Israel will hold sole control of Gaza airspace and will continue to carry out military activity in the waters of the Gaza Strip." "Therefore, Israel continues to maintain exclusive control of Gaza's airspace and the territorial waters, just as it has since it occupied the Gaza Strip in 1967."[75] Human Rights Watch has advised the UN Human Rights Council that it (and others) consider Israel to be the occupying power of the Gaza Strip because Israel controls Gaza Strip's airspace, territorial waters and controls the movement of people or goods in or out of Gaza by air or sea.[76][77][78] The European Union considers Gaza to be occupied.
Hamas isn't Hitler/Nazis, this is an insane analogy. Israeli elites prefer Hamas to secular political resistance of the Palestinians:
Despite its enmity with Hamas, Israel has, over the years, viewed it as a useful counterweight to Fatah. The Israeli right, in particular, has viewed the bitter Hamas-Fatah rift as a guarantee that Palestinian leadership will never unite in support of a peace agreement, or even a unified front to demand Palestinian independence.https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-10-09/ty-article/.p...
* The nazis weren't anti-science and made scientific progress
* The nazis were well dressed
I think that is the gist of it even if I probably could think of more points. Never thought that I was about to defend the nazis but honestly even if they were evil af Hamas and other groups are worse because I think it boils down to there is no logic behind any of their reasoning
Israel is no stranger to doing exact same things to Palestinians at much grander scale for decades. So, your point is? That it's good to do such things if you're the oppressor with more capabilities?
It's a conflict stemming from a violent state building project devised and implemented by Zionists and supported for whatever geopolitical reasons by world powers.
And the project is ongoing. Should Palestinians just take it? All one needs to do to see how shitty and unacceptable such project may look to the oppressed people of Gaza and West Bank is to look up and read through materials published by various Israeli human rights organizations, like:
People are born into this and have to live under such oppression. Hard to blame them getting into resistance movements when they grow up. And all the talk about "legitimate" resistance from someone who supports the oppressor, and has no concept of living under oppression, is also rich. Especially when even such weak forms of "supporting" Palestinian cause as teaching about it in balanced way are vehemently opposed even with lawsuits and other intimidation of teachers and schools: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLKrZmw66M0&list=PLJpexbhqyn...
> Israel is no stranger to doing exact same things to Palestinians at much grander scale for decades.
Cmon man, stop with the bullshit already.
Israel sends text messages to civilians before bombing a building terrorist targets are in and many other measures to do their utmost not to harm civilians.
Hamas on the other hand specifically targets civillians instead of military or strategic targets.
It's a huge difference and not the same thing. When you open with that shit I and any sane individual won't bother to listen to what else you may have to say regarding this matter because it's so ignorant and to be honest infuriating.
And what is the end goal exactly? What is the proposed solution? Hamas don't want a two party state, they are only satisfied when all jews are killed and Israel destroyed because that is their openly stated goal. What can Israel do besides letting them be like they have done for a long time and now they can't anymore because they declared war with their actions.
> Israel sends text messages to civilians before bombing a building terrorist targets are in and many other measures to do their utmost not to harm civilians.
And the reason for 10,000 bombed out people in less then a month then is? They just stayed because they wanted to be bombed?
You haven't seen any IDF abuse videos did you? Peeing on people they abduct, or on people they just killed, etc. Shitting into temporarily evacuated people's cooking utensils, out of spite, or whatever. Breaking bones of captured people as policy? Dragging someone tied behind a car in a dirt for fun? Using children as human shields to force them to check bags for suspected bombs? (at least this last thing was punished) Beating children taken to prisons? Just shooting children into knees and heads for fun/as policy.
Easy to find documentation of vile IDF/settler abuses online.
You can't judge a whole group of people by actions of individuals.
Israelis are not some chosen people immune from doing vile shit. So are not Palestinians.
This is not about nature of a group or whatever outdated racist bigotry you base your thinking on.
Zionist militias like Irgun and Lehi who were founded in the 40s literally described themselves as Terorrists, and explicitly communicated that jews are the "master race" and that Arabs are a "slave race"
The problem is you only see "terrorism" on the side you already oppose. You don't see terrorism in the erection of a separation wall and 15 years of military bombardment. That's why you're morally depraved.
Israeli settlers are conducting a pogrom against Palestinians with the protection/participation of IDF soldiers as we speak. In one incident, 2 in the West Bank were shot and killed by settlers while attending a funeral.
On Tuesday, settlers torched an empty Palestinian house in the village of Masafer Yatta, in the southern Hebron Hills, and hurled rocks at homes there and in the nearby hamlet of Tuba.
Apparently a smaller, more radical force fighting for their people’s right to exist must somehow take down a government that is backed fully by a trillion dollar military industry in perfect manner. No mob violence, no civilian deaths, no senseless acts of violence. They have to be perfect or else they are savages, animals, scum to be wiped off the earth.
Meanwhile that same military backed by the US gets to cause reckless and wanton destruction in Gaza. They get to kill civilians, children, blow up hospitals and ambulances. All to the cheering of people like you.
One is a desperate struggle. The other a sadistic retribution. Yet the ones struggling are what you called “animals”. Why is that?
I mean it's not a secret, my username has a different font color to communicate that it's new to other users, do you know how many people lost their jobs because they said something slightly negative about Zionism or Israel?
when something good happens you boast about upholding the values of democracy, liberty, and how amazing the "international community" and the international law is, when a disaster happens, suddenly the "civilized western/eurocentric values" disappear
You’re right. The answer to why is that suffering innocents should bother us, and we should take a sensible approach to reducing it. My point is that I’m not sure that means taking sides in their contest of who can be the least humane can any longer be presumed to be the sensible approach.
Well, if you're a US citizen, you're involved because billions of your tax dollars are going to fund Israel. Israel is committing a genocide funded by my money. I am unfortunately, partially culpable.
