>Vivado and Quartus are so horrendously complicated, that it seems easy to find a project failing at some late stage because you clicked a button wrong two days ago.
The (open) industry secret is that nobody actually uses the GUIs for anything other than analyzing build products (viewing floorplans, etc.); everything else is done through tcl scripts and Makefiles. This lets you both avoid the disaster that is the GUI portion of the tools and keep the entire project in a regular text representation (which means you can actually edit everything and check it into version control!).
As an extreme example, I've never even managed to get Lattice Radiant's GUI to even run, the damn thing just crashes almost immediately. It doesn't matter though because the backend tools all still work perfectly. We've just written some tcl scripts which handle everything for us and we called it a day.
> The (open) industry secret is that nobody actually uses the GUIs for anything other than analyzing build products (viewing floorplans, etc.); everything else is done through tcl scripts and Makefiles. This lets you both avoid the disaster that is the GUI portion of the tools and keep the entire project in a regular text representation (which means you can actually edit everything and check it into version control!).
I've sort of worked out this but it seems to be a weird mix of "you need to know what the UI is doing and why in order to avoid the UI". Getting that initial understanding seems a very high barrier.
(version control also seems to be something they manage to break on a whim over toolchain versions - maybe it's one of these hardware things where people just stick with the same toolchain version over the life of the product).
The (open) industry secret is that nobody actually uses the GUIs for anything other than analyzing build products (viewing floorplans, etc.); everything else is done through tcl scripts and Makefiles. This lets you both avoid the disaster that is the GUI portion of the tools and keep the entire project in a regular text representation (which means you can actually edit everything and check it into version control!).
As an extreme example, I've never even managed to get Lattice Radiant's GUI to even run, the damn thing just crashes almost immediately. It doesn't matter though because the backend tools all still work perfectly. We've just written some tcl scripts which handle everything for us and we called it a day.