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Can you compare safety concerns and overall quality with other major cities in the world?

Hard to judge an international city using only American standards.



It’s a relatively safe neighborhood if you aren’t black or Mexican. Expect to be vigilant when alone at night if you are. The drug users are more relaxed than in other parts of the city.


Why is it less safe if you’re black or Mexican?

Is there a racism issue or is it that ethnicity based gangs exist?


Nah it's less safe if they think you have something valuable on you and don't look like someone who'll put up a fight. Gangs you run into nowadays are more into robberies & break-ins that fighting with each other.


I moved to San Francisco from the UK about 10 years ago. Fortunately California has relatively strict gun laws so San Francisco is pretty safe for the US if still bad for a developed country.

Homicides per 100k (from a couple of years ago):

    San Francisco: 4.5
    US: 6.3
    UK/France/Germany: 0.8-1.2
(While most of the difference is due to availability of guns the US is just generally more violent and despite what Trump says the US has 1.5x the knife murders of the UK as well as 70x the gun murders. https://www.euronews.com/2018/05/05/trump-s-knife-crime-clai... )

Living in the Mission there are a handful of shootings per year. But it's a pretty dense neighbourhood so per population it's probably pretty normal for the US. The level of street homelessness is shocking but not as bad as downtown and you get used to that after a while too. Petty crime is definitely a problem.

Personally I worry more about being hit by a car crossing the road since cars are allowed to drive through the pedestrian crossing even when there is a walk signal.


You've got numbers for guns and knives, why stop there? Do acid attacks next.


Acid attacks where? You don’t possibly mean vitriol throwings, old chap?


Never knew there were so many gun fans on HN!


Maybe we should ban knives too.


20-25,000 murders per year. Around 40,000 fatal car crashes. Around 5-7000 fatal accidents involving pedestrians. Everyone excited about waymo but opposed to gun and knife wielding security robots.




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