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If you look on the actual data, it's the other way around. Is this just Russian opinion making?

1. The Greens didn't push to close the nuclear power plants alone:

The phase-out of nuclear energy in Germany was first regulated in the year 2000 under the red-green federal government (Schröder I Cabinet) through a contract known as the Nuclear Consensus between the Federal Republic and various operating companies. In 2002, the German Nuclear Energy Act was revised based on this contract. The Nuclear Consensus stipulated that, assuming a standard operational lifetime of about 32 years, a nuclear power plant was allowed to produce a specified "remaining electricity amount" before being decommissioned. Based on the electricity production of the individual plants in the past, the assigned remaining electricity amounts would mean that the last of the 19 German nuclear power plants would be decommissioned around 2021. Because the Nuclear Consensus allowed for the transfer of remaining electricity amounts between plants, the Stade (on November 14, 2003) and Obrigheim (on May 11, 2005) nuclear power plants were decommissioned.

On October 28, 2010, the Bundestag, with a black-yellow majority under the Merkel II Cabinet, decided on a further amendment to the Nuclear Energy Act, extending the operating times of the seven facilities that started operation before 1980 by eight years each, and those of the remaining ten nuclear power plants by 14 years each. This was publicly referred to as a "reversal of the phase-out." In return, the energy companies committed to an annual payment of 300 million euros for the years 2011 and 2012, and 200 million euros annually until 2016. The funds were intended to finance the Energy and Climate Fund. Furthermore, the federal government (as announced on September 6) introduced a nuclear fuel tax of 2.3 billion euros annually for six years, from January 1, 2011, to December 31, 2016.

This extension was revised in 2011 – following the onset of the Fukushima nuclear disaster. This was publicly referred to as a "reversal of the reversal of the phase-out." After the announcement of a moratorium on operating times on March 14, 2011, the operators ceased their payments to the Energy and Climate Fund.

During the energy crisis following the energy conflict in 2022, the federal government allowed the continued operation of the last three nuclear power plants, Emsland, Isar 2, and Neckarwestheim 2, until mid-April 2023; this required a legislative change, as the Nuclear Energy Act of 2011 had definitively planned for a gradual phase-out by the end of 2022. In April 2023, the nuclear power plants Emsland, Isar 2, and Neckarwestheim 2 were taken offline.



>> The same Germany where the "Green party" pushed to close nuclear power plants and buy more gas from the Russians. Truly clown world.

> If you look on the actual data, it's the other way around. Is this just Russian opinion making?

>The Greens didn't push to close the nuclear power plants alone: [...]

Am I misreading your post? It looks like you're not really disagreeing with the claim that '"Green party" pushed to close nuclear power plants', just quibbling over some details like whether other parties were involved.


What's important for this dialog is time. The Schröder 1 and the Merkel decision are decades old. Would it have been better to keep a health nuclear industry going? Yes, probably. But that was killed for good with 2011 reversal (Merkel, not Greens...). And even that would have been of questionable value because there would have been no new construction. The red-green-yellow government in 2022 had a few remaining nuclears going but keeping them online would have been difficult and costly. So there was no real choice.

The real energy politics failure happened mostly under Merkel , but the greens are sooooo bad. Yes, ofc - it boiled over in 2021/2022 but we warned Merkel did not bother to set the necessary goals in the decades prior. Kinda difficult to built new solar and wind energy quickly when your predecessor intentionally crippled that.


It was Merkel that ended up doing it, while the Greens were not in power.


Remind me who shut down the Stade Nuclear Power Plant in 2003 and the Obrigheim Nuclear Power Plant in 2005.


And who shut down the next 10?


>Is this just Russian opinion making? uhh my comment is objectively anti russian and accuses the greens of playing into their hands.

And I don't see how your comment refutes what I said. If anything it makes the case that not just the greens are anti nuclear but Germans in general have lost the plot and gone anti nuclear. Probably not the point you wanted to make, but there it is.


It was exactly the point I wanted to make. And you proofed it. Let me cite myself:

„1. The Greens didn't push to close the nuclear power plants alone:“

But: You think

„The same Germany where the "Green party" pushed to close nuclear power plants and buy more gas from the Russians. Truly clown world.“

is good style and promotes factual, also political, discussion? I believe that it is not and thus promotes the division and the intensification of the discourse instead of factual discussion. And Russia and the AfD are happy about that. Russia would very much like to sell a lot of gas to all of us. Russia would very much like to continue to act as one of the main suppliers and main players in nuclear energy, which is why Russia also has something against renewable energies. But the division of Europe is more valuable.

So, at the end, you did them a favor.


I disagree, calling out Russian influence does not do them a favor. It clears the air. I called out the Greens specifically because they have the gall to call themselves the Green party when they support the opposite. And to probably misquote Linus, "Just because I say I like hotdogs doesn't mean I hate hamburgers." I didn't comment on the rest of German politics, nor should I have to in order to avoid accusations of "doing Russia's work". But yes, a great deal of German politics has been compromised for awhile now. The AFD is self explanatory but the SPD and CDU has their fair share of problems too. Schroder and Merkel both had pro Russian policies.




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