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what’s the point, most companies just give a broad range like 200k-600k which makes the whole exercise pointless.


The bottom of the range, and the movement of the bottom of the range, provides necessary information to shed light on the movement of supply and demand.


You’re far better off just using levels.fyi which is pretty accurate for big companies like Apple. According to levels ICT4 varies from 260k to 440k which I’m willing to bet is a narrower band than anything Apple will provide.


Information from the business itself is more reliable than information from a third party website. It is also more useful to the business’s existing employees.

Also, the third party website can use the information from official job listings to provide the most accurate and sourced data.


If levels.fyi used info from job listings, it would end up completely useless like the pay ranges companies post.

The whole reason it works, is because it does not use “official data.”


It’s possible to track two different things.

Movement of the bottom of the range and movement of the reported prices of cleared transactions.

The former information is credible and useful for looking at long term supply and demand trends.

The latter information is useful for negotiating individual compensation.


I don't think that's pointless at all, there are plenty of companies that have a high range lower than what I want. At least with a high range I know if I do well enough, I have a shot at getting something around there.


Hard disagree, if Apple posts something like 200-600k for an ICT4 role, you virtually have no shot of getting 600k.

But if you just check levels.fyi you will find out that you might have a shot for 440k, which is not info Apple provides.




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