Lots of cynics here can’t separate the baby from the bathwater. You may need to get off your device and try driving one. Moreover, it’s an EV and i know reducing carbon emissions is a value that’s widely held here. It might be that you can’t have your cake and eat it too.
It just feels folks here want to align the people with the things with the beliefs and then let the negative opinion span across all of it as if it were one thing. It feels intellectually lazy. Or is it stereotyping?
i wonder if these detracting comments are meant to be persuasive or just score points with like the like-minded. Consensus indicates something, i suppose, lol.
No, I can’t separate Tesla from its childish, hateful, misogynist CEO.
No, I can’t separate Tesla from its smug, cultish owners. If you buy a Tesla it has a negative social connotation, the same way BMW owners can’t complain when people make turn signal jokes about them.
But also, my feeling is it’s positioned poorly in the market.
The Hummer EV is a better more capable vehicle that “does it all” a lot better. It’s more luxurious and the build quality is better. It’s better in every spec.
The Rivian R1T beats it out in range and capability as well, and some of its trim levels are cheaper than Tesla.
The Ford F-150 Lightning is cheaper and has a ton of design elements that have been proven by people who do real work.
And next we’ll be seeing the Silverado EV and RAM EV.
The CyberTruck comes in one color, has stainless steel panels basically glued on top of the unibody, has a barebones interior lacking a number of luxuries, and the recalled hub caps aren’t even shipping to customers.
It’s also going to be impossible for Tesla to refresh without major tooling changes. It’ll be like the PT Cruiser or New Beetle where it is overdesigned and can’t be easily transitioned to a second generation.
That’s another great point. Unlike some other trucks, it won’t even be street legal in a lot of other countries, and it’s one pedestrian safety legislation away from needing major reworking.
Rivian is expanding into Europe including its commercial van, which is a product that Tesla should have made given that EVs are perfectly suited to delivery vehicles.
Tesla should be coming out with a three row family vehicle similar to the EV9 or ID Buzz but they wasted resources on a niche $100k truck that will inevitably (in the long term) be snuffed out by Ford, GM, and RAM pushing the kind of volume that they do with trucks.
Fortunately if legislators and regulators are appropriately financially or politically incentivized, such safety legislation may not be something shareholders need to be concerned about.
The Model X isn’t price competitive with the EV9 and the doors are maintenance liabilities.
Its third row is too small. It’s a two row-size SUV where they stuffed in a tiny third row, it isn’t a serious alternative to a car like the Hyundai Palisade.
It's pretty amazing - between the drivers who think Teslas are only for snooty liberals the drivers that want nothing to do with Tesla's CEO you'd think there'd be few left buyers left but still they sell like hotcakes. I'm a boring sedan driver but there must be something people like about the Cybertruck beyond it looking cool.
I drove a Model Y for >2 years, and it was great. The camp-mode alone brought so many opportunities to stay with friends and family more than I otherwise would have. Camping and sleeping in the car was the only time I had to wake up the dog in the morning. Usually she's up before me.
It used to be that Elon's public persona was a geek who wanted solar panels and EVs everywhere. When there were concerns about battery life, he upped the warranty. There were a few more very positive cases like that.
Then those things slowly feel apart.
Later it turns out we were fooled all along, and he's been a lifelong conservative, mistreated his kids and still does, and lately offered financial support to a wanna-be dictator. I can't even remember every horrible thing now.
Getting rid of the Model Y wasn't easy or cheap, but if I can't stand by my principles when it gets hard, what's the point of having principles?
I know some people who just can't afford to get rid of a car like this, but those who deliberately support a person like Musk are just hanging out in a Nazi bar at this point, and my grandparent literally did bad things to Nazis.
If you ever heard people ask "What did normal people do during the Nazi's rise to power?" -- we're all doing it now.
