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This is an illusion - see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26148870 - the examples are old now, but the point hasn't changed.

Why this illusion, and how, you may ask? I can tell you why and how! It's because people are far more likely to notice the data points they dislike (https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...). Not only that, but the dislikeables make a stronger impression when you do notice them. This is why people with strong feelings on a topic always feel like the site is going to the dogs—they're unintentionally blotting out the other data.

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Edit: here are more recent examples in case helpful (what can I say, it's a hobby)

The HN crowd is far right - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41370117

libertarian tech bro site - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41674836

a haven for alt-right trolls and hateful abusers - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41799329

HN has also been taken over by fascists - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42059688

techno-libertarian pseudo-intellectual fascists - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42393303

HN has gone way to the authoritarian right - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42066014

tows the line when it comes to techno-fascism - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42781203

Hacker News is pretty much far right when it comes to politics - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42618465

I've got just as many pointing the other way, of course, but the valuable examples point opposite to the illusion. That is, if I were replying to one of these (^^^^) commenters, I'd point them to your post instead!

See also

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13110004 (Dec 2016)

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25391526 (Dec 2020)

https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...



It's not an illusion. I've been on HN across various accounts for over a decade. There is a hard liberal-progressive tilt to comments and post flagging which has been documented and remarked upon by others on sites where such comments don't get flagged and removed. Your own bias is also quite obvious, as is that of pg, who is now known on Twitter as a block-happy liberal lolcow. But thanks for posting all that, I'm glad Bolsheviks seething at Mensheviks haven't escaped your attention.


I still think my explanation is more convincing, but perhaps that's just me.

I'm curious why you asked "when did HN become this" if you're now telling us that it's been "this" for over a decade.

> which has been documented and remarked upon by others on sites

You should supply links so readers can make up their own minds about how convincing this documentation is.



I wouldn't call this documentation in the sense that I thought you meant the word.

These are examples of users complaining about HN in the way many users always complain about HN. You'll find countless such comments making general claims about how the site is "all X" or "has become Y" or "never allows any Z".

The problem is that these perceptions are not reliable—people base them on datapoints that they happen to notice because they dislike them so much [1], and from there they jump to general conclusions.

[1] https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...


I'm willing to believe you mean what you say and are posting in good faith, but please read this comment and others on its link and tell me with a straight face there's no strong lib-left bias in HN's community moderation:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43209997

(edit) And here's a nice response to my comment from a user with thousands of karma, illustrative IMO of the average flagger-and-remover:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43211418




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