Sure, and Russia wouldn't nuke NATO targets in return. And they wouldn't know of Ukraine's nuclear weapons program and destroy it before it succeeds.

This sort of gullibility is very dangerous, especially if it manifests in folks in DC who could help your scenario happen.

> Sure, and Russia wouldn't nuke NATO targets in return.

With what? Left over nukes from the cold war that haven't been maintained in decades? I would be surprised if Russia had 1 working nuke left.

If your goal is not to be annihilated in the shirt term, you don't care what they are thinking in DC, Moscow, even London

At what point would ukraine be justified launching their nukes (if they had them)? Now? After russian launches first?

Whenever they want, up until Russia officially backs down.

So when is russia justified to launch its nukes? Simply "whenever they want?"