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But that can go both ways. As a PM at a previous "engineering-led" company I was on more than one occasions given a prototype that Engineering had been working on for several months (with zero Product awareness, let alone input), and told "here, shoehorn a PRD and PMF around what we already built".

In this case, the failure was my PM leadership.

I said "I'm not sure about this, I think we need to do more research and figure things out", and got called out for "not being a passionate advocate and evangelist for my products".

So I dug in, and with many iterations, and experiments with Engineering we came to something that did have some traction...

"You need to strongly hold your opinion!" (Uhhh...) "Four months ago you weren't convinced about this, now you are!"

It's all about the political capital, whomever you are. Sadly.



Yep exactly that.

It doesn’t matter how much you work or how quantitatively successful you are, there will always be a narcissistic asshole ready to put you down for some made up reason.




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