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Haven't we been using electric motors and smaller turbos to get around lag? I drove a 3 cylinder MHEV EcoBoost that seemed to use the electric motor(s?) quite well. It seems like a good idea in theory, though I can understand the negatives of electrifying the powertrain. Definitely an interesting topic.

I remember hearing about the days of the early 911 Turbos (if my memory's correct) where you'd get a bunch of boost all at once... We've definitely come a long way!




You could always do what race cars do, put an electric motor on the turbo so when you go back on the throttle, you get instant boost.


Porsche is doing that on a road car now. It can also act as a generator to limit maximum boost instead of opening a wastegate.

https://www.motortrend.com/news/2025-porsche-911-gts-t-hybri...


Audi has been shipping electric compressor for 5 years now. They are prone to failures and they are on second revision now.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Volkswagen_Group_diese...


That's a different design; Audi uses a separate electric supercharger to fill in boost while waiting for its conventional turbochargers to spool up. Porsche is using a motor/generator built in to a turbocharger to spool it faster, and to recover energy at maximum boost.


F1 is getting rid of that system (MGU-H) for 2026 because it was costing the teams too much and it never seemed relevant to passenger vehicles.

When a tech path costs too much for F1, that's a good sign you won't be seeing it in a GM product any time soon.

OP system is just using a computer to get on the gas a little faster when the driver hits the pedal quickly.


Whatever F1 does or doesn't do has had extremely little relevance for passenger vehicles for at least the past 30 years.


I was thinking of that when I wrote the comment! I've heard of electric turbochargers, but I'm not sure how good they are under real-life conditions. Directly using heat energy from the exhaust (as opposed to introducing electric conversion losses) seems wiser to me. Part of me has always liked making use of what would otherwise be wasted to entropy.

In theory (though not a mechanic, just have an interest in this), the best middle-ground would be to retain the same design but add a motor to the turbocharger shaft which would mainly be reserved for spool ups -- is that what they're doing?


What you've described is exactly how the F1 MGU-H works (as I posted below). F1 is getting rid of it next year because it costs too much for an F1 team which should tell you a little bit about the complexity involved.

GM is doing nothing of the sort, it's just an ECU map. Guessing here, but if driver presses on the gas quickly (throttle accel > some set value), juice the engine map to create extra exhaust pressure to spool up the turbo impeller. It's all software.


You can use antilag as well to achieve the same effect without electric turbochargers


Bad for emissions though so it'd never be OEM.

Edit: Also bad for the valvetrain. 4T engines aren't really meant to be run as 2T..


Isn't anti-lag (the type that invokes combustion in the exhaust, anyway) terrible for turbochargers, long-term?


It's bad for everything but it's awesome


This plans for premptively spinning the turbo - which requires electric ones.


It all sounds quite complex when you can just drive the wheels with a motor directly.


Well, from what I understand, the car I drove did. I believe the motor was hooked up to engine's output shaft in some way, so they could work together to generate torque. The gearing seemed very low for the displacement (even had a 6th gear!), so it would suggest they were making good use of the electric powertrain.


In your opinion, where does "the buck stop"?

I feel similar to you in that complexity over time only locks out the user.

However I certainly do not miss a choke or having to mess with a carb in general on my road going vehicle.


I don't miss that either (in fact, I know the ECU can do a much better job), but I do enjoy engaging with the car, and thus drive a manual transmission. I'm fairly confident I can get better efficiency and control as opposed to the same transmission with a computer changing gears for me.

From what I've heard, it's somewhat of a rarity in the US, but it's very widely used in Europe.


Actually all of the car sounds really complex. How about we just pull it with a bunch of horses?.


Horses are very fuel inefficient. Sure they burn 100% renewable hay/oats, but they burn a lot of them. Worse they burn them even at idle so those who don't use their horse constantly still pay for the fuel.

Horse emissions are really bad too.


Horses are really complex beasts too, better just walking around.


The human mind is complex as heck, we should give up on harvesting them for walking.




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