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It's like chess. Humans are better for now, they won't be forever, but humans plus software is going to better than either alone for a long time.





> It's like chess. Humans are better for now, they won't be forever

This is not an obviously true statement. There needs to be proof that there are no limiting factors that are computationally impossible to overcome. It's like watching a growing child, grow from 3 feet to 4 feet, and then saying "soon, this child will be the tallest person alive."


With these "AGI by 2027" claims, it's not enough to say that the child will be the tallest person alive. They are saying the child will be the tallest structure on the planet.

One of my favourite XKCD comics is about extrapolation https://xkcd.com/605/

The time where humans + computers in chess were better than just computers was not a long time. That era ended well over a decade ago. Might have been true for only 3-5 years.

Unrelated to the broader discussion, but that's an artifact of the time control. Humans add nothing to Stockfish in a 90+30 game, but correspondence chess, for instance, is played with modern engines and still has competitive interest.

It is not clear to me whether human input really matters in correspondence chess at this point either.

I mused about this several years ago and still haven't really gotten a clear answer one way or the other.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33022581


No guarantee that will happen. LLMs are still statistically based. It's not going to give you edgier ideas, like filling a glass of wine to the rim.

Use them for the 90% of your repetitive uncreative work. The last 10% is up to you.


The pain of that 90% work is how you get libraries and framework. Imagine having many different implementation of sorting algorithms inside your codebase.

OK now we have to spend time figuring out the framework.

It's why people say just write plain Javascript, for example.


Is it? Or is it because the framework are not suitable for the project?

What do you mean? Chess engines are incredibly far ahead of humans right now.

Even a moderately powered machine running stockfish will destroy human super gms.

Sorry, after reading replies to this post i think I've misunderstood what you meant :)


I think he knows that. There was a period from the early 1950s (when people first started writing chess-playing software) to 1997 when humans were better at chess than computers were, and I think he is saying that we are still in the analogous period for the skill of programming.

But he should've know that people would jump at the opportunity to contradict him and should've written his comment so as not to admit such an easily-contradictable interpretation.


Yes, amended my post. I understand what he was saying now. Thanks.

Wasn't trying to just be contradictory or arsey


The phrasing was perhaps a bit odd. For a while, humans were better at Chess, until they weren't. OP is hypothesizing it will be a similar situation for programming. To boot, it was hard to believe for a long time that computers would ever be better than a humans at chess.

its not like chess

Your information is quite badly out of date. AI can now beat humans at not only chess but 99% of all intellectual exercises.



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