Yeah, he is also committed to race science, the belief that diversity is fundamentally bad, and that states "own" their citizens, and can do anything they want to them. None of that is just the basic idea of a benevolent dictator. Yarvin's views are repugnant and evil as well as reductive, childish, and unoriginal.
> A lot of nationalist consider a lot of other races undesirable. The Israeli mainstream right is fairly open about their attitudes to gentiles, whether arab muslim, arab christians, or the disposable lives of US servicemen they wish to fight wars on their behalf.
That's not true and kind of outrageous - you're basically saying "the majority of Israelis are racist". The Israeli mainstream right has a lot of views I disagree with, but they're directed at people who are (in their minds at least) Israel's enemies. It's not because they are Arabs.
And they certainly don't consider US servicemen disposable, and certainly don't have a bad opinion of all "gentiles".
(Ironically, the idea that Jews secretly think everyone else should be subservient to them and are therefore trying to and/or actually ruling the world, is itself a classic antisemitic line of thinking.)
Yes, it's outrageous to suggest it's a majority of Israelis, when polling tells us that only 47% of Israeli nationals want to kill every single man, woman, and child in Gaza. That's nowhere near a majority. Mind you, 82% of full citizens of Israel want to expel Palestinians from Gaza. That's a majority. https://geopoliticaleconomy.com/2025/05/30/poll-israelis-exp...
Israeli officials don't even try to hide their racism towards Arabs. They are unquestionably motivated by racism, and will happily tell you so themselves.
Obviously not all Israelis are right wing racists but the ones running the government absolutely are.
There are some Israeli officials who are extremists and talk that way, but they represent a right-wing extreme bloc of Israeli voters. These officials have a lot of power and influence right now for a variety of reasons.
But this is by no means true of the majority of Israeli officials, nor of the public.
I'm sorry but the majority party in the Israeli government is unquestionably motivated by racism. I don't really care about the specific number of Israeli officials nationwide and their relative levels of personal racist views. The Israeli government is unabashedly engaged in a racially motivated genocide, and the officials carrying it out are in no way apologetic about their motivations.
I never said anything about the majority of the Israeli public, thanks for noticing.
Why wouldn't you do the least bit of fact-checking before making such an incorrect assertion?
> Over two-thirds of Israeli teens believe Arabs to be less intelligent, uncultured and violent. Over a third of Israeli teens fear Arabs all together
> 50% of Israelis taking part said they would not live in the same building as Arabs, will not befriend, or let their children befriend Arabs and would not let Arabs into their homes
> Another 2007 report, by the Center Against Racism, also found hostility against Arabs was on the rise. Among its findings, it reported that 75% of Israeli Jews do not approve of Arabs and Jews sharing apartment buildings; that over half of Jews would not want to have an Arab boss and that marrying an Arab amounts to "national treason"; and that 55% of the sample thought Arabs should be kept separate from Jews in entertainment sites. Half wanted the Israeli government to encourage Israeli Arabs to emigrate. About 40% believed Arab citizens should have their voting rights removed
You're mixing two completely different things here.
Arab-Israelis (meaning Israeli citizens who are Arabs, which represents about 20% of the Israeli population) are not "exiled" to the WB, they don't live in the WB, they live in Israel, and are full citizens - no one can exile them anywhere.
There is some discrimination, sure, but in almost every respect they are equal citizens of Israel.
Go read some of the things Israeli officials actually say about Palestinians. Go learn about what Israel is doing in the non-Hamas-controlled West Bank.
Sorry, you're just literally ignorant here. Likud and their ilk do not hide their true feelings, American media just doesn't like to bring it up
I may be less ignorant than you think - I've been to Israel four times and to Jordan and recently to Dahab in Egypt fairly close to Gaza. Lots of racial groups don't like each other but that's not really the issue here. Jordan won't have the Palestinians because when they let them in some of them tried to overthrow their government and Egypt are not keen because islamic terrorist groups, not actually Hamas but allied come over and machine gun tourists and try to overthrow their government. It's not because the arabs in those places are racist against arabs, it's that people don't like groups trying to kill and overthrow them. Similarly Gaza was reasonably peaceful until they October killings and kidnappings. Think of that in your own context - if some group came and started killing your people and trying to overthrow your government would you say that's hunky dory or try to do something about it?
I mention this not because I think the Israelis are good or anything but the kill some people and be surprised when they hit back strategy is not productive. If the palestinians want peace they should renounce that, release hostages and say we want peace. But most of the Palestinian demos I see are about "river to the sea" ie overthrow Israel, not asking for peace.
> Go learn about what Israel is doing in the non-Hamas-controlled West Bank.
For the record, there is a lot of Hamas presence in the WB, even if it's not Hamas controlled. So if you are referring to government action in the WB, then it is aimed against terrorists.
If you're referring to what extremist settlers are doing in the WB, like setting Palestinian houses on fire and threatening violence and sometimes committing violence against Palestinians, then that's a different story. It's not official Israeli government action, but gets some tacit backing (and arguably a lot of tacit backing) from this government, and is absolutely heinous.
> I'm sorry but the majority party in the Israeli government is unquestionably motivated by racism. [...] The Israeli government is unabashedly engaged in a racially motivated genocide,
Let's put aside whether or not someone agrees with labeling it a genocide. I believe you're applying the lens of racism here that is imported from Western countries and doesn't really fit. I think you're actually flipping the causal arrows here - the war motivates the racism, not the racism motivating the war.
Palestinians are in many respects a different state that is at semi-war with Israel. The Gaza strip is ruled by Hamas which launched a war against Israel and is, by their own words, planning on continuing the war until Israel is destroyed.
Stopping Israel from being destroyed is the motivation in attacking them back, and a completely legit and understandable motivation at that. (Whether the way Israel is behaving is legitimate or not is a separate question!)
To make an obvious analogy - In WW2, the US was fighting Japan. There was also racism directed towards the Japanese (including literally putting Japanese citizens in camps!). But that doesn't mean the US's war against Japan was motivated by racism - quite the opposite. The racism was motivated by the war, which was motivated by Japan's desire to grow their empire.
The original assertion was that it would be somehow "ironic" for a jewish person to have ethnocentric/supremacist/nationalist views. I pointed out that it definitely existed in that group.
You did say "Jewish people" instead of "many Israelis". This is not the same. I'm of Jewish heritage and I strongly disagree with Israel's foreign policy and treatment of Palestinians.
Going back to your original question, it's ironic that a Jewish person is "committed to race science" (to quote the original comment) because "race science" was used by the nazis to justify the Holocaust; one would think Jewish people would be particularly wary of anyone using "race science" as an argument for anything.
You seem to imply it's not ironic because of Israeli treatment of Gaza and Palestinians in general, but consider this: that's also ironic, for the same reason.
> You did say "Jewish people" instead of "many Israelis". This is not the same.
I never said it was the same. I pointed out an instance of bigotry done by jews. And so I argue that it's not at all "ironic" for a person of jewish descent to (allegedly) think bigoted things. They have no moral high ground, and neither does any other race (however one chooses to define that).
As to the rest, I suppose we have different definitions of ironic. I don't find it ironic for members of one group to target members of another group with violence, despite once having been the targets of violence themselves. History will tell you this is the norm.
Suits me fine, since you're dishonest about what you wrote:
> Jewish people have no moral high ground here
and
> I pointed out an instance of bigotry done by jews
There you have it: written by you, about "the Jews" and "Jewish people". People are rightfully calling you out on this, and flagging you. You mentioned it, and now you're playing dumb, so there's truly nothing more to discuss.
The whole germ of this discussion was about jewish people writ large - that it's somehow "ironic" for them to be bigoted, and not other groups.
Tellingly, the responses to this have revealed a lot of latent bigotry. If you're offended that someone said your ethnicity does not automatically have a moral high ground, then you're a supremacist. You believe inherently that your ethnicity IS more moral than others.
I consider my point well demonstrated. Irony indeed.
A guy who says that races shouldn't mix, that diversity is bad, etc... happens to be part of a group that historically has been marginalized to some degree nearly every time it tries to integrate itself into a larger society. Sometimes, that same group's not just been marginalized by political word, but by real physical violence.
A lot of the "real Americans" in flyover country who rail about "coastal elites" do not like jewish people. It's fucked up and deplorable, but it's fact. Here you have Yarvin, who is a jewish dude who grew up between 2 coastal liberal environments (SF and NYC). He's trying to pander to the people who count on those "real americans" for votes.
EDIT: History has shown us that it often doesn't end well for these types of people. "Oh I'm one of the good ones, they won't come after me" usually lasts until the last of the low-hanging fruit is picked. Again, a modern tech-bro Clayton Bigsby. (Chapelle's show reference for those who don't know)
A lot of these flyover country bigots you speak of have no clue who is part of the Jewish faith and who is not. Most American Jews do not have accents or wear religious garb that would make them stand out, as may have been the case in the world portrayed in Portnoy's Dilemma based in 1920s New York City. Post-WWII, many of those that immigrated to the United States are of European heritage (Polish, Italian, Ukrainian, Russian). In fact, there is a long tradition of efforts (pre-WWII) made by American Jews to force immigrants to hide their Jewish roots and cultural traditions to "help" them avoid the kind of discrimination faced by other European groups (Irish, Italians) by the majority culture. There is an excellent article delving into the history of Jewish perceptions in the US in the magazine Jewish Currents:
>A lot of these flyover country bigots you speak of have no clue who is part of the Jewish faith and who is not
A good indicator can usually be their last name, especially if they are of German origin.
> wear religious garb that would make them stand out
Ever been to Brooklyn? How about Miami Beach? I'm from close to one of those places, and live in the other - and see Jewish people choosing to dress in religious garb every day. The more religious one gets (goes for Islam too), the more obvious it is to a passerby.
