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This bill is goated for upper middle class and tech and defense sector

And I’m tired of pretending like we aren’t going to be beneficiaries

Every Congress increases the debt, we can acknowledge that the cuts they picked are going to wreck the lower class especially with the medicaid, we can acknowledge that it won’t meet its goals of cuts

but are you guys just scared to acknowledge its going to super charge things that you are a beneficiary of too? so busy saying it just benefits billionaires as if we’re trying to avoid guillotines. not gonna happen and many people here are going to try to take advantage of new programs




You don't want to live in a society where an increasingly large percentage of the population have nothing to lose.

Regardless of whether it benefits our industry or socioeconomic status, it'd be incredibly shortsighted to just do all of that at the expense of the lower classes.


Also someday you might find yourself needing things like medicaid. I once met a former SE who was on disability because he lost his sight. Protecting those things for others also protects them for yourself.


So true and so important. Hollowing out the middle class is a surefire way to destruction.


I don’t have to be in support of something just because it benefits me


In fact condemning something despite the fact that it would benefit you personally ought to be considered noble.


I am very much in support of Section 174A no matter who does it, what riders goes alongside it, or what it was a rider to

Congress can always pass anything else at any speed. This slow motion filibuster thing is a choice, and the powerlessness of doing anything about that choice just means everyone else should have a single they care about too to correct the laws and riders that shouldn’t have passed.


> no matter who does it, what riders goes alongside it, or what it was a rider to

Really? You can’t think of anything you wouldn’t support in order to get this thing that benefits you?


the things I wouldn’t support don't have consensus

wont be in a reconciliation bill

wont be supported by the courts

and the rest of my observation about how Congress can deal with and has dealt with riders after the fact still stands


I agree but I think the huge cuts across public research & development basically hurt everybody in the long term.


And China will pick up the slack.


Even if you're right, it's only true in the short term. Long term, everyone benefits from a sustainable country, and trillions of new debt isn't heading in that direction.


I have to say that you sound very biased in the way you're talking about the bill. If a primary goal of this administration is to cut and make government more efficient, this bill is about as big of a failure as one could conceive. Any reasonable person would have to admit that.

I'm fine admitting that I would benefit greatly from this bill. I also hope to heaven it doesn't pass because an additional trillion dollars to suit me sounds asinine. I don't need help.


Nobody likes everything in the bill, well since nobody knows everything in it I should say everyone has things they don't like about the bill


>Every Congress increases the debt,

And yet only one party campaigns on fiscal responsibility, debt concerns, and reduced spending


And funnily enough it is the other party that actually deliver improvements, while the party that campaigns on it just cut taxes when in power.


> This bill is goated for upper middle class and tech and defense sector

No, it's not, because giving its authors any power or wins or ability to execute on their agenda is disastrous for nearly everyone, including tech and the middle class. The only people that its illegal acts are good for is a tiny minority of crooks, fascists, and oligarchs.

Given the firehose of illegal stuff they are doing that is impossible to push back on, it is utterly imperative to push back on every little thing that is possible to push back on, and to hold consent hostage to an end to the former.

You're letting them burn your house down because they promised you a bottle of whiskey.




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