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No, education is not brainwashing. These terms have different definitions. One is by definition good, one bad. Words matter, definitions of words matter.





I didn't say it was, but you've conveniently ignored the rest of the sentence to derail the discussion.

I’d love an education system that only teaches scientific consensus, and leaves moral conclusions to parents and households. However I’m sure you’d appreciate that’s not what we have.

what moral conclusions?

For example: What’s the right way to live? How to relate to others? On what basis do we cooperate? What are/are not the overall goals of society? What’s the meaning of life? What is it to be a good person?

These are most certainly left up to the individual. None of these things were part of my, and most folks' public education.

I would disagree. Many ideological worldviews are taught in the curriculums of the public education system. For instance, the idea that homosexuality is wrong (not a view I personally hold) is not tolerated. Students are taught that homosexuality is a valid, normal, way to live (and I happen to agree).

However, whether it is right or wrong, valid or invalid, is an ideological argument. Schools should simply teach that it occurs in humans, and leave the question of whether to accept or reject it to parents (there are plenty of other natural behaviours many of us reject on ideological grounds, polygamy for instance). There are countless other examples where ideology is taught as curriculum.


School's do not teach ideologies because Ideologies are a set of beliefs resistant to contrary fact.

Homosexuality being normal and valid is not an ideology, it's accepted scientific truth. Being against it is an ideology.

You are saying "countless ideological worldviews" are being taught, but I'm struggling to come up with even one, and my wife is a teacher

So, what is a view you personally do hold, to defend your viewpoint so firmly?


Fortunately our system is setup such that passionate folks like you can work to effect change. Go do it - volunteer for your local PTA, run for school board positions, show up to public hearings. Be the change you want to see in the world. God Speed my friend.

Having the ideology of the majority taught in schools is the outcome of a strictly democratic process like the one you’re describing. I’m suggesting that the separation between church and state be extended to any ideological teaching.

I get it, I'm not trying to chat about that.

I am saying if you can convince enough other people that this makes sense you can effect change. And im wishing you good luck with that.


> No, education is not brainwashing.

I’m directly responding to your point. Ideological education is brainwashing. In fact “brainwashing” is usually just another way of saying “an ideological education I disagree with”, also known as “indoctrination”.


What is ideological education and why do you think it is all of education?

I'm saying flowers smell good.

You are saying flowers smell bad because of that one flower that smells bad.


Any conclusion that cannot be arrived at cannot be arrived at by a scientific process is inherently ideological. You’re saying flowers smell good. I say they smell bad. Neither of us is any more right than the other, since these are entirely subjective takes. The closest you could get is that flowers might smell good to x% of the population, which is what schools should teach. Not that they smell good or bad.

The distinction is small but important, since the latter conclusion doesn’t make any judgements about people with a legitimate minority opinion.


What about art,Mozart, the Dead shakespeare, south park and everything in-between? Those aren't science, but are some of the most vital components of education.

Education describing what cultural artifacts exist and how to produce them isn’t ideology. These are objective areas of study. Though lots of cultural education is ethnocentric, where minority cultures are less represented, making the education less well rounded.

Education is not about what cultural artifacts exist, but why and how. Music appreciation and art appreciation, music history and art history are a small part of a music or art Education for someone who is hoping to practice it.



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