What with this dingus coming at me with recursion? Hey, that's my move, bro. Seriously though, everything you said is totally unnecessary. All I'm saying is, in order to refute the claim that LLMs can't reason, you ought to have your own coherent definition of the word in order to falsify the claim. Recursion is a coherent notion. If you want to include that in the definition, have at it. That actually supports my broader view of reasoning.