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You are conflating different and irrelevant arguments. The discussion was never about Byzantium or modern Greece. It was whether we can trace the beginning of Western civilisation in Ancient Greece instead of Rome, which indeed we can. Far before Christianity, a topic which you seem blindly passionate about, with some apparent beef against Orthodoxy.

This has little to do with Christianity.

And I find little interest in this pointless discussion, therefore this is my last reply.



If we're tracing seeds, the Ancient Greeks openly acknowledged their debt to Egypt. Therefore the Egyptians invented the West.

But my point is that the West is Rome enlightened by Greeks and humanized by Jews.

What is Athens + Jerusalem? Eastern Europe. Orthodoxy. (No beef, btw. Ive been to Meteora and just missed a chance to stay in Mt. Athos)

What is Rome + Athens + Jerusalem? The Catholic Church.


Your perception of history is muddled by religion.




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